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number four

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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july

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8 1947 the army air forces has announced

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that a flying beast has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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to fate 1985 flag with jimmy church on

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the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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for the

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masses yeah man how you doing

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how you doing today is tuesday september

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15 2020.

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we are 259 days into the new year

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only 107 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far

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and near this is fade to black for kjcr

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the game changer network and kg r a

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the planets i am your host jimmy church

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yeah man how you doing

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tonight very special guest right here on

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this program

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jay widener is here

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jay widener is here we're going to be

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talking about the life and times

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of terrence mckenna this evening

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oh yeah i've been wanting to do this

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show for a long time

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so here we go tomorrow night right here

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carolyn ford

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joins us we're going to be talking about

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the power of crystal skulls

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that is tomorrow night thursday night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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how many times can i say night or

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right how many times

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tonight tonight tonight tonight tonight

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night night night night night well and

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fader night counts too

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so there you go all right

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oh man uh what a strange check

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yeah that's man sounds good doesn't it i

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i got my new compressors uh hooked

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uh back up took out the old dbxes

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and uh got the new ones in and

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flying without a net tonight too i just

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went you know and really goes should we

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sound check and i said

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no we're going straight in

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we're going straight in tonight oh yeah

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sounds good uh yeah

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sounds good okay um

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about oh crystal skulls

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uh tomorrow night with uh carolyn ford

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and what you

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you know i hope i hope that you went and

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got your very own crystal skull

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and you will be able to sit down with us

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tomorrow night and discuss

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your crystal skulls and and join us if

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well you can still go to einstein the

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crystal skull.com use the promo code

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jimmy

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for 10 off of your crystal skull order

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today but get yourself your very own

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crystal skull mine here in the studio

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just to taco tuesday is it taco tuesday

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it's a taco tuesday i guess i

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i i know what we're having for dinner

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jimmy's driving to the taco truck

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that family for a couple of years

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right and we had one taco truck that we

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and let me tell you something you ever

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see the movie

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my blue heaven my

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blue heaven it's an amazing movie rick

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moranis steve martin hilarious movie but

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there's a scene in the movie

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where uh steve martin says you know you

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know he plays a mafia guy

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gangster from new york testifying he's

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you know i want to write my

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autobiography and i think people

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need to know i've got things to say

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things that they should know about me

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and he goes like take tipping for

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i don't believe in tipping i believe in

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and that's how i've lived my life i

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believe in over tipping

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so everybody at these taco trucks man

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gonna be a good trip and and we're just

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like that and this new stand that we're

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they know i believe in over tipping all

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right so taco tuesday i guess follow me

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on twitter at j

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church radio the sandboxes hashtag f2b

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on twitter any questions during the show

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tonight i didn't say comments torana

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see that any questions during the show

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tonight use

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hashtag f2bq mark tarana forced me

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into changing what i say

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on the show because he busted me on a

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technicality

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you said comments man you say comments

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not now

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you can also email throughout the show

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and that is jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

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let's get to the breaking news i never

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thought that i would share

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this breaking news with you but here you

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laura london just said i love my blue

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heaven i know every line

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yes and i would say

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i would be willing to get into a

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competition on that laura

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if you think you know every line rita's

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like no

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lord don't do it don't get you me

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started on my blue heaven

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such a great movie such a great movie

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all right all right let's get into the

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breaking news microsoft founder bill

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gates has questioned whether a

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coronavirus vac

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whoa whoa microsoft founder bill gates

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questioned whether a corona

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virus vaccine approved by the food and

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drug administration the fda

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could be trusted as safe and effective

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say what i'm confused but anyway gates

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cited fda commissioner stephen hahn

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about han touting blood plasma as a

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potential treatment

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only to reverse himself a day later

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amid concerns over a potentially rushed

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joint pledge not to submit any vaccine

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without confidence in its safety and

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i have no idea what is really going on

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here i don't we'll have to wait and see

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i'm very confused all right big news out

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of the desert

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virgin galactic plans to conduct

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its next crude space flight test

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that the space tourism company has

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and should have just two test pilots on

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if both test flights succeed right

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that will kick off the company's

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tourism service absolutely

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incredible all right here we go

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another reminder that humanity must

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ever vigilant for space-born threats i'm

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talking about asteroids because

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an amateur astronomer in brazil

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discovered a huge asteroid

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that somehow slipped past the earth's

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last month asteroid 2020

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qu6 measuring check this

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1 000 meters wide

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that's right over 3 000

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feet and large enough to inflict some

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serious damage here on earth if it hit

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was spotted by amateur astronomer

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amarae observatory in brazil on august

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27th mercifully it passed us at a

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distance of about 400 million kilometers

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over 100 times the distance between the

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earth and the moon

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five days ago on september 10th

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absolutely incredible rita we got to get

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a telescope

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we got to get in on on the asteroid

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watch

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well it was announced today i think this

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came on the heels of my statements

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i made yesterday about

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social media and fake news

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and the divisiveness remember that

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well check this out celebrity kim

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i said it i actually said her name on

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kim kardashian has announced she is

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in support of the hashtag

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stop hate for profit campaign which

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accuses the firms of allowing groups to

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spread misinformation

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and bigotry kardashian

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is the seventh most followed account on

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instagram with 188

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million followers holy crap

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and another 30 million followers on

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facebook leading some to predict that

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her protest of the platforms could lead

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to

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others following suit how much

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juice does this really have i know

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that's what you're asking yourself

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right now well facebook stock value

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tumbled

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today immediately following kardashian's

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tweets being published

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and then it clawed its way back but

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that's the kardashian effect

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let's get to show cracking happy

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birthday to one of my favorite actors

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today

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tom hardy and that's right

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tom hardy is 43. i know you women out

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there like oh jimmy just said

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tom hardy who jimmy just said tom hardy

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i did

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he was great in legend amazing in

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tinker taylor soldier spy and stole the

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show

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in rock and roll tommy lee jones today

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is

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74. night rangers kelly kigey

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today is 68 drummer right

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for night ranger we know that wore the

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gloves remember

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he wore gloves when he played the drums

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but he was also a great singer

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he was the singer on sister christian

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now you need to go back to the video mtv

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gotta think think think think oh that's

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right

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the drummer is saying that song that

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wasn't jack blades

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no that what that's right yep

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that's a fact today he's 68 warrants

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jerry dixon today is

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53 jerry dixon born in pasadena

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joined warrant was when he was still in

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high school in 11th grade

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and had like three number one albums in

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a row good for jerry

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today 53 years old our dead guy's

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birthday today is i need a moment of

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silence please

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for lee dorman

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1942 to 2012 died at the age of 70.

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lee was a bass player best known as the

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member

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he also played

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in captain beyond lee was the man

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behind one of the greatest base parts in

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all of rock history that's right

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remember that as lee dorman

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i listened to that song over and over

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again when i was a kid it spoke to me

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later i moved to california and i became

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friends with lee

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uh very close friends actually and i

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spent many days eating and drinking with

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him on the beaches of malibu listening

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to his advice

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his music advice his tutelage

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and great stories lee was the best

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lee died of natural causes in laguna

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niguel

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california back in 2012 at the age

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of 70. happy birthday lee dorman

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best smile in all of rock and roll i was

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a cool dude

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on this day in history otd 1959 nikita

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khrushchev

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becomes the first soviet head of state

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to visit the united states

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during the next two weeks while he was

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here khrushchev's visit provided some of

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the most dramatic

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and humorous moments in the history of

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the cold war

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fader fact iceland

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yeah gotta have me a iceland fader fact

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once in a while here you go

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i think the last one i did with iceland

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was that ninety percent of the country

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believes

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in elves i think that's what it was

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anyway iceland has so much

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geothermal energy that it has hot

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water for your shower in the morning

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straight from the ground to your

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house and that

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is a fader fact rita just says i'm the

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worst case scenario of thomas

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jefferson's dream

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i don't know what that means what does

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that mean do i got to uh

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i do do i got to go back and read

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you could melt all this stuff

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man uh i like my girls a little bit

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dirty

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[Laughter]

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no women i think it's women all right

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where am i at somebody help me tonight

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jay widener is here

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we're going to be talking about the life

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and times of terrence mckenna

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one of the most influential researchers

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and voices

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of the 20th and 21st century right now

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tonight jay widener

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terence mckenna tomorrow night carolyn

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ford is going to be here we're going to

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be talking about the power

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of crystal skulls thursday night's

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another fader night

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with open lines all night long let me

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it's a vegetable

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that's the best line of the movie laura

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that's that's

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the best line in the movie it's a

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vegetable

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all right okay

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a couple of years ago i was over at my

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brother-in-law's house for a poolside

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lunch

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and beautiful day rita and i were having

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a great time

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the sun was shining food and drink were

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flowing

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endlessly as it always does the

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conversations were eclectic

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and then i get up from the table

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and was walking by the pool when my

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nephew who is a big guy too he's like

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six foot four

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30 year old adult right big guy

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he he's walking but he walks to my right

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in between

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me in the pool and as he passed me

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yep fully clothed

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it was awesome huge splash

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yeah so cool

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freaked everybody out it was so much fun

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this is who i am i can't change it

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sometimes i want to change but deep

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inside

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i like me rita has put up with the side

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of me for 20 years

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and yes at times i embarrass her

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but although she keeps trying she knows

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i ain't gone anywhere i am who i am

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which is why hosting this show and

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others

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i have to keep my inner me

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in check

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marines once

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tied a rope around me and pushed me off

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a cliff

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forcing me to repel 100 feet 150 feet to

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the ground

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all because i was talking smack

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this is who i am i asked for it

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and it was fun scared the crap out of me

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but but i did it i asked for it they

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said

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that's it come on push me off the cliff

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and i do it again too it's who i am

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so in prepping for today's

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show i went and listened to some terence

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mckenna

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actually a lot of it and

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when you listen to someone as smart and

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wise as terence you soak it up

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you learn now i went there i was i was

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going to grab audio and i was going to

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do this and this thing and i ended up

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just getting into the terence mckenna

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zone

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listening to terence

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speak it was incredible

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terrance says to be the best that you

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can be

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check i got it

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terrance says to respect nature

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check i got it

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terrance says that there was so much

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more to

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learn you know nothing check

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i got it terence says

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to love everyone even if you don't

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understand them

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all of this only works on half of me

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the other half wants to hang out and

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cause trouble

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to be the loudest person in the room

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now don't be fooled by the nice guy you

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hear each night on the show

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i know that i'm polite

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and i don't like to cause too many

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ripples

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but don't take that as me being soft

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i am not

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which is why it hurts so much that i

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can't go out there and troll

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on the net because i have to behave

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trust me i know this

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most of the problems we see and hear

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about social media are about people that

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can't control themselves

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i have to fight the constant urge of

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putting on the gloves and

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going toe to toe with a troll it's hard

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but i seem to manage things and i pull

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myself back together

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every single time i just do it but you

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have to understand growing up

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growing up i used to watch the group of

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guys who would

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walk around to the back of the school

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and smoke cigarettes between classes

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and i wanted to be with them

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the rebels but i usually ended up going

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going to class doing the right thing

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i would just put my head down walk to

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class and get up my desk before the bell

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rang

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now again don't be fooled because

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sometimes i found my way around the

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school

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with the troublemakers and it was always

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a good time

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but moving on it's the same thing today

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with me in social media

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i want to dip my toes in the water i

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really do

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yesterday i spoke about a new

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documentary and it is called

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the social dilemma and i hope that you

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get a chance to watch it if you haven't

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watched it already

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but the social dilemma paints a very

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clear picture

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about what is causing the anger the

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division and the drama

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that is playing out in the social media

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landscape

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the film has solidified my thoughts

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about what is happening today all

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around the world it has made me very

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conscious about reading through any news

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feed

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or take anybody serious about what they

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post

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in that they are probably not in control

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of their thoughts

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and algorithm is running things

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so i realize this now right it's my

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00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:12,480
terence mckenna sensitive side

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00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,080
but again don't take my lack of response

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to the trolls

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as me being too soft

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it's the exact opposite because i'm the

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guy

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who will push you in the pool at the

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drop of a hat

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00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,080
from behind that's right

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you see the tr will always think

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that they are winding me up

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but it's me circling like a vulture

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waiting and then bam

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now when their heads bob to the surface

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to get some air

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it's my back they see as i stroll away

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tension released

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that's right and now it's time for me to

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church

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tonight jay widener we're going to be

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talking about the life and times of

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terence mckenna shamanism metaphysics

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00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:09,120
alchemy language philosophy culture

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technology

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environmentalism and the origins of

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human consciousness

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all that and much more and i'm gonna say

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00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:18,240
this

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00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,039
of jays should be illegal i wrote it

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00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,279
it's too much i'm gonna cut to the chase

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00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,480
in 2000 he founded sacred mysteries

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00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,640
together with his wife sharon rose he

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00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:33,760
has directed 15

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00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,279
films his website is sacredmysteries.com

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00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:38,720
i'm getting straight to it jay there you

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00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,310
you okay with that yeah yeah

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00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,480
i remember i remember yeah i remember

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once uh

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00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,200
you said to me i'm not gonna get into

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00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:53,039
the details particular church man just

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00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:53,919
keep the intro

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00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,080
short and you shot me this

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00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,159
look he shot me this look i was like man

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00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:01,919
that's going to be the shortest intro j

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has ever

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ladies and gentlemen jay widener just

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00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,200
like let's get better

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yeah much better how you doing man

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00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:13,119
you're good how are you oh man uh i'm

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00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,480
doing the same as you

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00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,720
you know trying to uh trying to make it

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00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,040
through this crazy world that we live in

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00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,320
and and uh i see the light i do

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00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,159
i see the light i'm headed towards the

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00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,480
light and we're gonna get there jay

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00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,679
together we are

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i have no doubt

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00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:32,800
[Laughter]

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when uh well i mean we're headed towards

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00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,960
you know we're in

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00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:45,040
we're we're actually in i i believe the

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00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:46,839
beginning of the greatest

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00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:51,040
um opportunity but also crisis

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00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,079
in human history and um

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00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,240
uh that's kind of why i wanted to talk

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about terence because

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he predicted all of this like 25 30

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00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,280
years ago and um

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00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,960
you know i'm sad he didn't get to live

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00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,320
to see it but

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00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,320
at the same time you know he gave us his

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great wisdom and knowledge

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00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:13,040
to uh so that we could get ready for

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00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,480
what we're about to go through

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00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:16,320
yeah i agree hey jay can i get you to

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00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,829
all right how's that i need the j

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00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:22,960
widener voice

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00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,599
i need the radio voice i need the j

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00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:28,400
widener voice

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00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,150
jay changed his settings we just had a

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00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,599
great sound check

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00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,920
and and and i can already tell jay

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00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,240
goofed around with his microphone

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00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,520
he's talking okay

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00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,960
let me move to my office i've been

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00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,200
kicked out of my house by my wife

741
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,760
um so how does this sound it's fine it's

742
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,400
fine

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00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,480
i want to start here actually because

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00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:53,920
you just brought up

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00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,119
one of the the great points he died in

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00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,720
2000

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00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,760
and the at a very young age at the age

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of 53

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00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,160
and he didn't get a

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00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,359
chance to see the transitions

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00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,680
that he had been speaking to us about

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00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:14,320
for 30 35 years

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00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,720
and so before we get to that i have

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00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:21,520
one of his last statements that he made

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00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,000
just

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before his death speaking about his

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00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,520
death

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00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,119
you may have heard this before jay but i

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00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:28,560
want the audience to hear this

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00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:32,800
it's profound okay so he got uh

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00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,480
leading up to this he got diagnosed

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00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,880
with brain cancer and and a terminal

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00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,760
tumor that was

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00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,320
it and he was given four months to live

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00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:43,920
right that's it

766
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:47,680
and this statement was given

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00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,280
during that time and he says this

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00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:54,720
quote i always thought death would come

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00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,680
on the freeway in a few horrifying

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00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,200
moments

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00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,720
so you'd have no time to sort it out

772
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:05,040
having months and months to look at it

773
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,400
and think about it

774
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,160
and talk to people and hear what they

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00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:09,680
have to say

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00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:12,880
it's kind of a blessing it's certainly

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00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:13,200
an

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00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,040
unsmiling guy in a white coat

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00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:25,359
that you're going to be dead in four

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00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,079
months

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00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:29,680
definitely turns on the lights it makes

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00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:30,160
life

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00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,240
rich and poignant when it first happened

784
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,680
and i got these diagnosis i could see

785
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:39,599
the light of eternity

786
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:43,359
allah william blake shining through

787
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:46,640
every leaf i mean a bug

788
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,920
walking across the ground moved me to

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00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,520
tears

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00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,640
and that was aaron's mckenna right

791
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,480
before he died he ended up dying on

792
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:58,400
april 3rd 2000

793
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,160
at the age of 53. heavy heavy words but

794
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:05,119
yet this is what this is coming from

795
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,000
somebody

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00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,160
that not only talked to us about

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00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:09,839
consciousness and ourselves

798
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:12,960
and making this world a better place but

799
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,440
he he wanted to to do this with us

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00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,320
and that was taken away from him and

801
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:21,920
instead of

802
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,200
taking things another direction

803
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,599
he said these words and he meant it

804
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:29,920
didn't he jay

805
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,440
uh yeah those are um i almost choked up

806
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:34,880
when

807
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,880
he said that um i remember that

808
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:41,599
statement

809
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,720
back almost 20 years ago and or over 20

810
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:46,480
years ago i guess

811
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:50,320
and uh yeah um it's a funny thing

812
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,280
because

813
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,480
i was a huge fan of course and um i had

814
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:55,839
all of his lectures

815
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,720
on uh cassette and cd and all that but

816
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,839
after he uh died i couldn't i couldn't

817
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,440
listen to him anymore

818
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,480
i was so broken up by

819
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:11,119
his death that i couldn't listen and

820
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,680
then

821
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,320
it's only in the last few months that

822
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:16,480
i've actually gotten up the

823
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,920
kind of the uh the um bravery and

824
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,320
courage to go back and re-listen

825
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:26,000
to his old lectures and videos and all

826
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,720
that

827
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,880
and i'm more impressed now than i have

828
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,920
ever been

829
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,119
um he's so prescient and uh

830
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:36,720
his predictions became so true and

831
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,760
i i'm just uh

832
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:42,160
you know his death really affected me i

833
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,040
i was

834
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,320
just finishing up um

835
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:49,760
uh my book my first book with vincent

836
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,720
bridges

837
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,640
about the cross of handing a monument to

838
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,079
the end of time

839
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,119
and he and i had discussed the whole

840
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:00,160
entire concept of the cross of hende

841
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,319
and and alchemy and transformation

842
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,160
and when i told him about what i had

843
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,160
discovered he was like oh

844
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,960
man you got to get this down into a book

845
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,560
as soon as possible

846
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,720
and i actually asked him if he would you

847
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,480
know

848
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,440
the uh forward to the book and he said

849
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:21,280
well if it's a good book i will

850
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,640
if the money's good that is and uh

851
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,640
so um i'd always intended to give him

852
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,920
like 5k

853
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,400
to write the forward to my book but

854
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:32,000
unfortunately he died before i actually

855
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:32,800
got a chance

856
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,920
for him to read it he was too far gone

857
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,920
apparently for him to read i did send

858
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,359
him the manuscript

859
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,560
but one of his assistants said he just

860
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,480
he was just beyond being able to read at

861
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:45,680
that point

862
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,760
when did you first meet terence

863
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,680
well now that's a weird story i have two

864
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:54,400
weird synchronistic stories with terence

865
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,280
actually

866
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,960
i didn't meet terence until you know he

867
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,480
was later in life

868
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,680
um what had happened is is that i i've

869
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,599
met him at his lectures

870
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,880
you know i've gone up and introduced

871
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,880
myself and had brief conversations with

872
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:07,520
them

873
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,040
throughout the 80s but when i got my

874
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,079
radio show in seattle on

875
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:16,480
a sister station to an npr station up

876
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:17,440
there

877
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,200
and that's when food of the gods

878
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,640
his scholarly effort about psychedelic

879
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,880
history and its effect on culture

880
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,520
came out and i just just loved the book

881
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:31,920
and i wanted so dearly to interview him

882
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,960
about the book for my radio show and

883
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,920
i was at the station working and i

884
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,920
decided to go get a coffee or something

885
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,640
and i

886
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,280
got in the elevator to go down a couple

887
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,200
people got in the elevator with me

888
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,400
to go down to the first floor and as i'm

889
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,160
going down the elevator

890
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,680
i hear that you know sing-songy voice

891
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,240
you know resonating in the in the tinny

892
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,760
elevator room

893
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,480
and i look over and there's terence and

894
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:02,160
he had just done an interview with the

895
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:02,800
npr

896
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,839
station which was our sister station on

897
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,280
food of the gods

898
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,960
and i listened to the interview later it

899
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,400
was totally wimpy

900
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,480
interview and i said to him on the way

901
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,240
down to the floor i said listen

902
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,560
man you know you remember me saying i

903
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,160
kind of do remember you i said

904
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,400
listen man i i got a radio show and i

905
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,680
want to interview you

906
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,240
can you give me an hour and he said okay

907
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,160
i will so we went over

908
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:28,400
to the studio and we cut an hour

909
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,359
interview

910
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,240
at first you know he was like reticent

911
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:34,560
to talk and he thought maybe i was a

912
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,079
goof and wasn't sure what i was and

913
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,720
then i i realized that of course within

914
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,920
10 minutes of the

915
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,760
starting the interview that he was you

916
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,680
know sizing me up and trying to figure

917
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:46,880
out who i was

918
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,240
and i was an unknown person this is a 92

919
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,520
i think no 94 no 93

920
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:57,119
and uh um so i um i started like

921
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:57,839
bringing up

922
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,640
people that i i knew that so i couldn't

923
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,920
impress him i mean i was trying to

924
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,800
impress him

925
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:05,440
and uh finally by about halfway into the

926
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,319
interview

927
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:08,480
he like realized that i was the real

928
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,839
deal and so then he started

929
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,240
just laying it down it was like holy

930
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,160
smokes man this guy was like

931
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,920
like blistering the pavement and um

932
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,920
when i put the interview up it was my

933
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:22,960
most popular

934
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,000
interview i went on to do a series of

935
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,800
interviews for that station with terence

936
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,200
over the next two years

937
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:34,160
that were mind-blowing i also brought

938
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,040
him

939
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,920
to the university of washington to cane

940
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:38,960
hall where he

941
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,400
um uh sold out i think we sold out five

942
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,839
thousand seats

943
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,960
and uh he gave a two hour lecture called

944
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,800
eros in the eschaton

945
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,119
which i believe is probably one of his

946
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,720
best

947
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,680
talks of all time and uh it means

948
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,319
basically

949
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,720
sex in the end of the world so how can

950
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,359
you you know

951
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,480
mess with that title right and um so

952
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,720
you know it was weird and then the other

953
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,560
uh weird synchronicity i had

954
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,920
this one was even a little bit more

955
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,000
profound um

956
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,480
i had been hired i was living up in the

957
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,079
pacific northwest in

958
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:17,520
the seattle area doing my radio show

959
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,960
being very happy and i got a call from a

960
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,760
guy

961
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:24,560
in boulder uh who owned a company called

962
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,839
gaium g-a-i-a-m

963
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,839
and he called me up because he was a big

964
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:31,520
fan of my radio show apparently had

965
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,160
heard

966
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,640
cassettes and things of my show and he

967
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:36,240
asked me to fly to boulder he wanted to

968
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,280
talk to me

969
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,280
so i flew to boulder and we had like a

970
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,800
12-hour discussion

971
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,200
ended up that he wanted to hire me to

972
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,960
move to boulder and become the video

973
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,640
development director for his

974
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,440
newly forming company and i agree

975
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:51,200
because he was paying me a lot

976
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,640
so i moved to boulder

977
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,280
a few months later and um it was my

978
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,480
first day at work

979
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,560
it was on pearl street in boulder the

980
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,839
main drag

981
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,920
we have a little tiny building where

982
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:05,280
we're in the back room there's only

983
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,480
three employees

984
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,680
and we're putting together this

985
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,680
company's my very first day

986
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,359
and it's about two hours into work so it

987
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,599
was about 10 30 and i asked somebody

988
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,800
that was working there

989
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:17,440
is there a good coffee shop nearby i'm

990
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,480
from seattle and i demand a great coffee

991
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:23,040
and uh and i said yeah just go up the

992
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:23,839
street there's a

993
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,119
coffee shop named penny lane and so i

994
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,040
go okay thank you and i go out the front

995
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,040
door as i'm going out the front door of

996
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,160
the building i see this guy walking by

997
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,359
and i look at him and i go oh my god

998
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,319
you are the dead ringer for terence

999
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,240
mckenna

1000
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,480
and he looks at me goes some people even

1001
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,560
think i am terrence mckenna

1002
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,960
and i'm like oh my god the first person

1003
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,640
i meet in boulder

1004
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,640
you know that i you know when i'm out on

1005
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,200
the street is is terence mckenna

1006
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,880
really like what are you doing here

1007
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:58,560
because well i did a lecture last night

1008
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,200
at the

1009
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:02,000
university of colorado and i said so

1010
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,359
where are you going he goes well i heard

1011
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,440
there's a really good coffee shop

1012
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,760
up the street named penny lane and i'm

1013
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,960
headed that way

1014
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,599
so i said well let's go buy a coffee so

1015
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,520
we go up to the coffee shop

1016
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:15,359
and we walk in the door and this is the

1017
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,160
quintessential

1018
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,319
1990s boulder hippie coffee shop

1019
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,720
tie-dye shirts everybody's got long hair

1020
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,359
right smell the marijuana's in the air

1021
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,920
and i didn't even know this shop was

1022
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:29,040
this shop i was just trying to eat

1023
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,839
coffee

1024
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:32,079
so i walk in the door and everybody in

1025
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:32,960
the coffee shop

1026
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:36,240
recognizes terrence and they just go

1027
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,160
absolutely berserk and we get no peace

1028
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,520
while we're trying to have our coffee

1029
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,680
and talk and everybody's coming up to

1030
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,520
getting autographs and talking to them

1031
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,119
about their experiences

1032
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,079
and everything and then later uh when i

1033
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:51,839
went back to that shop i was never known

1034
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,800
as jay

1035
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,960
i was only known as that guy that knows

1036
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,079
terence mckenna

1037
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,160
you know nothing wrong with that man it

1038
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,720
could be worse it could be worse

1039
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,440
yeah so that was the point where i told

1040
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,200
him about my hyundai work

1041
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,160
and we discussed alchemy and all those

1042
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,599
really cool subjects

1043
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,839
and that was where we bonded and that

1044
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,520
was in 1996

1045
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,839
of course he was dead uh four years

1046
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,560
later

1047
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,720
so really the time that i knew him was

1048
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:21,119
really the last part of his life when he

1049
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:22,480
was really

1050
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,839
moving towards um an alchemical

1051
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,440
realization

1052
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,160
of reality it was really gratifying

1053
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,079
because that was the conclusions

1054
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:34,640
that i was reaching at the same time and

1055
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,359
i hadn't

1056
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,400
placed psychedelics into the equation at

1057
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:40,079
the time but now i realize that they

1058
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,280
also play

1059
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:44,079
a huge role in european and western

1060
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,040
alchemy

1061
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,079
so he he helped me out a lot and

1062
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,319
it was incredible experience to have

1063
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:51,520
gotten to know him

1064
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:55,200
he had the logos which is the divine

1065
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,280
use of using language and

1066
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,680
he had it and there's no doubt about it

1067
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,760
he could explain the mystical

1068
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:06,079
where no one else could and he could

1069
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:06,800
take

1070
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,240
the um effable of the ineffable

1071
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,920
and turn it into something that we could

1072
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,520
all understand

1073
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,000
and that it was that's why his death is

1074
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,680
so tragic

1075
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,920
because i think i would have loved to

1076
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:21,119
have had him now

1077
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,480
in his late 70s hearing his wisdom

1078
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,800
and telling us you know all of that he

1079
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,599
knows

1080
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,680
sort of like you know joseph campbell

1081
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,200
got to do and

1082
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,000
um alan watts and that kind of thing so

1083
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:36,800
it was really a tragic loss

1084
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,000
i have to ask you did you

1085
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,040
did you ever do any

1086
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,160
psychedelics with terence

1087
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,000
outside of cannabis now um okay he had

1088
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,760
sort of he what he told me was you know

1089
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,520
jay i've made that phone call

1090
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,839
i don't need to make it anymore right so

1091
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,240
he sort of at the end of his

1092
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:04,480
taking uh doses of mushrooms and dmt

1093
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,839
at the end of his life maybe the brain

1094
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:09,760
cancer was beginning to affect him

1095
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,079
i think it was i've talked to um

1096
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,480
i've talked to physicians who've looked

1097
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,160
at pictures of terrence

1098
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,000
in the last five years of his life and

1099
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,920
his eyes are slightly bulging

1100
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,920
out and they say that's an indication

1101
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,680
that his brain is swelling

1102
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,800
so i think he already had had some

1103
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,760
effects of it uh by the time that i

1104
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:33,680
started my relationship with him

1105
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:37,280
and since alchemy is really about um

1106
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,880
uh you know what happens after you die

1107
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,319
i think that might have been one of the

1108
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,160
reasons why he was so

1109
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,640
into alchemy at the end there of his

1110
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,599
life and

1111
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:50,480
really uh coming to understand it he

1112
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,800
said

1113
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,559
something to me once it was amazing he

1114
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,559
said uh alchemy

1115
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:57,599
is half shamanism and half western

1116
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,480
science

1117
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,720
that's why it's so interesting and i

1118
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,599
think that's right

1119
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,599
i think that's why alchemy is so

1120
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,680
appealing is that it is

1121
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,319
a shamanic experience but it's wrapped

1122
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,000
inside the

1123
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:14,000
nugget of a experiment

1124
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:19,200
and trying and failing and retrying and

1125
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:22,800
and so it is a lot like western science

1126
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:26,480
so in that way he was like the pastor

1127
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,160
over the wedding of the uh

1128
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,280
shamanism i.e psychedelics

1129
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,920
and uh western science and bringing him

1130
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:37,359
together

1131
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,640
yeah then there was yeah there was

1132
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:41,599
something else

1133
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:44,720
uh uh about terence uh

1134
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,079
and which is this he didn't uh people

1135
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:51,760
i think when you hear uh or read

1136
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:55,839
uh terence's bio and what he was about

1137
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:58,880
i think the expectation was for him

1138
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:02,800
to speak like a hippie or sound like

1139
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,480
cheech or chong and he didn't

1140
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:09,839
he was well spoken um he

1141
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:12,559
he took things on a uh to a technical

1142
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,040
level

1143
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:15,680
when he was speaking about the science

1144
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:16,319
and

1145
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,800
was everything else that he dived into

1146
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:24,160
including the e ching but he was able to

1147
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:25,040
speak about

1148
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,520
what is happening uh at a medical level

1149
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,200
and and consciousness

1150
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,559
in a way that uh impressed people

1151
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,960
where they're okay all right yes there's

1152
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,400
psychedelics involved

1153
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:42,319
but obviously this is somebody that

1154
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:43,760
comes from

1155
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,119
uh an intelligent mindset and we need to

1156
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,599
take him serious and that's where taren

1157
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,680
succeeded right

1158
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:54,240
yeah that's exactly right what he did

1159
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:54,880
was he

1160
00:52:04,309 --> 00:51:59,680
took um what was just a hippie interest

1161
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:04,319
in psychedelics and he turned it into

1162
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,240
um a po into both poetry and science

1163
00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:11,040
and he made us realize that these were

1164
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,040
potent

1165
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,200
psychological um tools

1166
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:18,800
that we could use to um

1167
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,839
to explore the human mind and and and

1168
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:22,480
therefore

1169
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,960
expand human culture and so he uh

1170
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,520
that was his gift and he could do that

1171
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,119
better than anybody

1172
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,400
and um i remember

1173
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,400
being at lectures of his there'd be a

1174
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,000
couple hundred people

1175
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,559
usually at the ohio institute there in

1176
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:41,920
southern california

1177
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:44,559
and he would he would say things and you

1178
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:44,960
could

1179
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,319
feel like a trembling uh

1180
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,880
moving through the crowd as he said

1181
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:52,720
something that was so

1182
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:56,640
right on so spot on that nobody could

1183
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,440
argue with it

1184
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,599
everybody had to agree with it and it

1185
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:01,760
was usually trying to say

1186
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,119
that you know the psychedelic experience

1187
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,240
the mystical experience was really

1188
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,280
the most important experience of all the

1189
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,720
human experiences

1190
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,079
more important than sexual experiences

1191
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,440
more important than cultural experiences

1192
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,640
um this was something so profound

1193
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:25,680
that he had to spread it across the

1194
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,559
human

1195
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,359
uh endeavor and he did it's terence

1196
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,520
mckenna and his brother dennis

1197
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:34,000
who gave us the mushroom now they didn't

1198
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,800
invent it

1199
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,319
but they're the ones who taught us how

1200
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,240
they they wrote the book

1201
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:41,280
literally on how to grow mushrooms and

1202
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:42,160
how to

1203
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,200
mushrooms spread all over the world

1204
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,520
was because of what terence and dennis

1205
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:50,880
mckenna did

1206
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,319
and um i truly believe that what they

1207
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,559
did was a revolutionary act

1208
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,839
that changed consciousness uh for the

1209
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,640
better

1210
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,760
uh forever and i believe that terrence

1211
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:04,720
knew that

1212
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,760
and and and the other thing is is the

1213
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,040
relationship

1214
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,720
of the mushroom and thyme

1215
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,680
and that was terrence's other great

1216
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:17,040
exploration

1217
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,559
which is um there's this weird and odd

1218
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,599
relationship

1219
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:24,319
with mushrooms and other psychedelics

1220
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,040
where

1221
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,760
you go orthogonal that means at right

1222
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,079
angles too in mathematics

1223
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,160
and so what that means is that you're

1224
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,800
traveling along a linear timeline of

1225
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:37,280
past to the future always living in the

1226
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,000
present

1227
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,760
but when you do have a mystical

1228
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,240
experience or a psychedelic experience

1229
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:45,200
frequently you freeze in that moment and

1230
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:45,920
you go

1231
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,440
tangentially off into another place

1232
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,680
you go at right angles to the timeline

1233
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,480
angle

1234
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:55,440
and then in that in that you've come to

1235
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,559
understand

1236
00:55:02,789 --> 00:54:59,680
that time itself is an illusion that

1237
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,799
we created the construct of time

1238
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,640
so that we could all get to the airport

1239
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,799
at the same time to take off or

1240
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,799
meet at dinner at the same time to have

1241
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:09,839
dinner together

1242
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,040
but actually time is temporal and

1243
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,920
time is personal and the mushroom does

1244
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,960
teach you that

1245
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:19,599
and the greatest people on earth who

1246
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,440
were keeping track of time

1247
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:24,319
were the mayans and the mayans in their

1248
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,960
area

1249
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,440
was exactly where the psilocybin

1250
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:29,200
mushroom was rediscovered by gordon

1251
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:30,079
watson

1252
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:33,839
in the 1950s and also all over the mayan

1253
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:36,559
areas are the mushroom statues which are

1254
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,440
these little

1255
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,920
mushrooms which have faces on them which

1256
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:40,960
are all over

1257
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,160
the jungles of the yucatan and

1258
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:47,040
and southern mexico and guatemala and so

1259
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,640
we see that

1260
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:51,040
there's a strange relationship between

1261
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:51,920
the mushroom

1262
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,119
and time and our understanding of time

1263
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,240
and through his mushroom explorations

1264
00:56:01,349 --> 00:56:00,559
terence was able to look into the future

1265
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:01,359
to see

1266
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:04,559
into the future as i have had the same

1267
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,520
experiences

1268
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,040
on mushrooms i've been able to

1269
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,240
successfully see into the future also

1270
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,079
but terence when he looked into the

1271
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,559
future he saw that we were approaching

1272
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,040
the climax of history

1273
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:19,920
the point where the human race would be

1274
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:20,559
tend

1275
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,319
to change from a human to something else

1276
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,760
that this was going to take a limited

1277
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,319
period of time and that when we came out

1278
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,359
the other end

1279
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,359
we would be completely different than we

1280
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:32,960
were at the beginning

1281
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:36,160
very similar to the plot of 2001 a space

1282
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:36,880
odyssey

1283
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,240
by stanley kubrick and so i say

1284
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:43,440
here that we are at the very beginning

1285
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,640
of terrence's concrescence of history

1286
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,760
the climax of history the covet thing is

1287
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,200
what pushed us over

1288
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,960
and now we're going to move from one

1289
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:54,559
step to another

1290
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:58,160
all the way until 2030 when this will be

1291
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:58,559
over

1292
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:01,599
and we will be a changed

1293
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,799
race a different human being not the

1294
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,520
same

1295
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,640
as we are now and there's that's tragic

1296
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:11,440
and it's also wonderful and i can say

1297
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:12,240
that

1298
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,599
if you're under 20 years old you

1299
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,440
probably have a high chance

1300
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,000
of living many hundreds of years with

1301
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,079
the advances that are going on right now

1302
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,839
and terrence knew this he knew that the

1303
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:26,720
um

1304
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,680
the technology would piggyback on itself

1305
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:31,599
and one thing would create another thing

1306
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,079
and

1307
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,400
each thing would create another thing

1308
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,799
until we had this coherent pattern

1309
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,280
within technology that was moving us

1310
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,960
towards a place

1311
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,640
you know we are going to become a

1312
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,559
space-faring race

1313
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,799
we're going to be a race that lives a

1314
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,079
long time

1315
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,720
we're going to be a highly intelligent

1316
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,599
race

1317
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:53,440
a lot of things are going to be changing

1318
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:54,720
very quickly here

1319
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:57,839
it's going to be um exhilarating and

1320
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,599
very unstable and scary and happy and

1321
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,079
all the everything in between and that's

1322
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,839
what terence was predicting all those

1323
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,799
years ago

1324
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:09,359
and this is the thing oh man i got a

1325
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,240
weird echo

1326
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:13,440
jay okay um

1327
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:16,880
this is the thing ayahuasca was

1328
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:20,240
largely uh introduced into pop culture

1329
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:20,960
because of

1330
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,359
of terence mckenna but 2 2012

1331
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,240
was largely a terrence mckenna thing and

1332
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,160
it wasn't necessarily

1333
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,440
uh mayan he he

1334
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:36,640
came to the the date of 2012

1335
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,319
through e ching he died in 2000

1336
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,440
he didn't get a chance to see what the

1337
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,119
world was going to go through with this

1338
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:46,720
date of 2012

1339
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,680
uh from his death for the next 12 years

1340
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:52,079
did he understand how profound

1341
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:55,839
these two things were on society

1342
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:59,280
uh he did and um he

1343
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,880
yes he discovered the 2012 date by doing

1344
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:05,920
moon cycles within the iching

1345
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,440
and this was way before he discovered um

1346
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:12,079
well we didn't really know it until i

1347
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,119
think about

1348
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:15,680
maybe the mid 80s about the mayan

1349
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,559
calendar

1350
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,960
well early 80s we didn't really know i

1351
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,880
mean the mayans knew about it but

1352
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,799
uh the rest of the world didn't really

1353
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,040
didn't know no that's right yeah

1354
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,480
jenkins and several other people have

1355
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:28,160
put out books about it

1356
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:31,839
and then terence realized

1357
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,559
he had pinpointed nearly the same exact

1358
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:35,359
time

1359
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:39,359
wave

1360
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,960
uh equations and he was blown away by it

1361
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:45,440
and you know i personally think that we

1362
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,079
did change

1363
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:48,160
in 2012 i think there was a

1364
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,000
psychological shift

1365
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:53,359
where we stopped believing experts

1366
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,240
and it started in 2012 and every year

1367
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,400
it's increased until this year

1368
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,799
you know i don't think anybody believes

1369
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,480
any experts anymore

1370
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,720
uh we've just given up on them because

1371
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,559
they've just been so wrong through this

1372
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:07,839
whole covet thing

1373
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:10,880
and so i think that also is part of this

1374
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:13,440
shedding that terence was always talking

1375
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,160
about

1376
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,960
we're we're shedding this old world and

1377
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,720
and we're letting we're like a butterfly

1378
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,359
and it's

1379
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,440
you know breaking apart and we're going

1380
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:23,040
to come out of it

1381
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:26,400
and um it's going to be uh

1382
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:29,599
like i said it is going to be

1383
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:32,720
probably a lot like a mushroom trip like

1384
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:34,880
a collective mushroom trip

1385
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,160
as because in a mushroom trip you really

1386
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:40,079
don't know what to expect next you don't

1387
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,640
know what

1388
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,640
thoughts are going to happen next you

1389
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,480
don't know you know where you're going

1390
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,680
to be going next

1391
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,920
and i think that's kind of what at least

1392
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:49,440
the next three or four years are going

1393
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:50,400
to be like

1394
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:53,359
we're going to be uh being jolted from

1395
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:54,079
one

1396
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,240
event to another as the awakening

1397
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:01,280
uh takes place and um

1398
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:04,640
it's gonna be all things all at the same

1399
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,599
time

1400
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,119
and i can't tell you how many hours

1401
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:09,440
terence and i spent talking about this

1402
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,240
event

1403
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,640
and when it didn't happen in 2012 i was

1404
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:14,720
like well i wonder what's going on

1405
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,760
um but i i think that

1406
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:20,640
the events of today were set up around

1407
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:21,599
that time

1408
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and now we're just getting to the real

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meat of the matter let's take our break

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right here our guest tonight

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jay widener we are talking about the

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life and times

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of terence mckenna incredible mind

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incredible researcher and we're gonna go

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through some not only uh amazing

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gonna go through some of his thoughts

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and words too as well

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black jay widener

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we're talking about the life and times

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of terence mckenna if you have any

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all right welcome to the program

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and uh jay um this is

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this is the thing today i went through

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uh a bunch of stuff and i was listening

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to terence and what i wanted to do was

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you know grab some audio and play back

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some audio of uh

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some of uh terence's uh very profound

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moments and i wanted to get through that

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and i ended up going into the zone

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with terence man i just got sucked in

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and i i was moved

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you know and it wasn't uh for me it

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wasn't

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about uh the sensational part of it

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which was the amount of the consumption

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over such a long period of time of these

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psychedelics which is fascinating you

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know of itself

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but it was his ability to

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take note and utilize these

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sessions with shamans and get

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pen to paper get his thoughts down and

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and then

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relay these messages back to the world

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about us

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he had an uncanny ability to do this

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uh yeah he did um he was he was amazing

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and uh many shamans would

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um that i met

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that we had talked to sharon to terrence

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before

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i talked to them they said that he was

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probably the most profound

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westerner that they had ever met these

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were peruvian

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mayan shamans and so yeah he had that

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effect

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he was he was incredibly magnetic

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and uh and his use of language was

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beyond

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think anybody

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that i've ever known had that ability to

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take words and bend them

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and twist them into uh

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kind of almost like a movie it was like

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you're in your mind you're

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almost watching a movie while he's

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talking and you can see

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everything that he's saying even though

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what he's saying is so

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super abstract so uh

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he was you know one of the most amazing

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members of my generation

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and it was a real honor to have known

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him and

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um you know he grew up you know in

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in colorado on the western slopes um

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in a town called peonia which is just a

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little

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probably felt that

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you know he was a little bit adequate he

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did grow up in new york city or

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you know san francisco or some big town

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but it really didn't matter i mean

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it didn't matter because he was so well

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read

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and then he had so many incredible

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experiences

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from you know being a butterfly catcher

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in indonesia

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to uh going to uh uh

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01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:48,080
that place in colombia with his brother

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01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,880
where the

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all the events and true hallucinations

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01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:52,080
took place

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01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,150
which is an amazing um

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[Music]

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01:11:03,110 --> 01:10:59,520
story about um uh

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the uh his visions

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of uh the end of time and the end of

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of uh of our place here on earth and how

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we were going to transition

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into another being uh he called the

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01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:18,000
transcendental object at the end of time

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01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:21,520
and that he thought that ufos and

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01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:25,280
uh flying saucers were the

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01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,320
uh beginning of this event

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01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:30,320
that we were going to be led into some

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01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:31,360
kind of

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01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,480
you know intergalactic family

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01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,800
uh that was going to be more psychedelic

1661
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:38,400
in nature and less

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01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,760
um kind of star trekking he didn't like

1663
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,040
that kind of stuff

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01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,520
he didn't like like star trek and and

1665
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:47,600
that kind of militaristic view of the

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01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:48,560
future

1667
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:52,080
he was more of a person who thought that

1668
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,880
we were going to reimmerse with nature

1669
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:55,840
um

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01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,880
which in a way is the opposite of what's

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01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,239
about to happen

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01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,880
it seems like we're reimbursing where we

1673
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:04,400
are immersing

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01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,239
with the machine at the moment so um but

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01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,080
he also predicted that

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01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:12,800
so i you know it was like i feel the

1677
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:15,760
same way that terrance did i'm torn

1678
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,040
between a future that is uh high

1679
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:22,480
tech and transhumanist

1680
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,320
and a future that is us taking our

1681
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:28,960
high technology out to the country and

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01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:29,600
and uh

1683
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:33,199
becoming uh more like uh hippie farmers

1684
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,239
or something

1685
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,560
so i think you know we're making those

1686
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:37,679
decisions

1687
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:41,520
right now um as to where we're going

1688
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:45,040
and um again if you go back and you

1689
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,440
listen to any of terence's talks

1690
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:50,560
the light at the end of history or

1691
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,600
eros and the eschaton you'll see that

1692
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:55,040
he's

1693
01:13:02,790 --> 01:12:59,920
it he gets it and

1694
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:02,800
because like i said before the the

1695
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:03,600
nature

1696
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:06,560
of consciousness that the mushrooms give

1697
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:07,120
us

1698
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,560
as reference to time we begin to

1699
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:12,080
understand

1700
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:15,199
what time is and time isn't one second

1701
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,679
following another second or one hour

1702
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:19,520
following another hour

1703
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:27,910
a concrete sense of being and each

1704
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,560
moment

1705
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:31,040
you are you are either advancing

1706
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,000
yourself

1707
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,480
and your consciousness or you're not and

1708
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:36,159
if you're not you're just not really

1709
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,440
part of the game

1710
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,480
and if you are then you

1711
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,880
are increasing your consciousness and

1712
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,920
awareness

1713
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:46,320
and that is what is going on across the

1714
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:47,120
planet

1715
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:50,080
the collective awareness shows like

1716
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,280
yours and

1717
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,840
other things that are going on is

1718
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,360
exactly what's happening it's an

1719
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,199
explosion of information

1720
01:14:01,189 --> 01:14:00,400
again predicted by terrence uh based on

1721
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:01,199
the works of

1722
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:05,120
uh the great marshall mcluhan um

1723
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,239
each each um each day

1724
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:11,040
brings an increase in the amount of

1725
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,560
information we're getting

1726
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,040
and that can cause a lot of confusion

1727
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:17,040
but for those of us who know how to weed

1728
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:18,719
our way through

1729
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:21,840
all of this um confusing

1730
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:25,040
information we come away uh

1731
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:28,400
knowing more than we did when we started

1732
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:31,679
and this is all part of this

1733
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:34,719
uh expanding awareness that he was

1734
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:38,159
you know part of the front-line soldier

1735
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:38,719
in

1736
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,560
well and he exactly right and one of the

1737
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:44,560
things that he stressed and you just

1738
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:47,600
touched upon this right now is that

1739
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:50,400
every culture went through what we are

1740
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,679
going through

1741
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:53,920
now you think right now we're all

1742
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,000
intelligent and all-knowing and that

1743
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,920
everything from the past they just

1744
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,280
didn't have it together

1745
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,520
you're wrong we need to learn from the

1746
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:03,280
past so we can move forward

1747
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:06,320
here is a quote addressing exactly

1748
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,320
what you just said and we have to uh

1749
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,880
put this in context this is before

1750
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:14,080
social media

1751
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,600
right this is before where we are now in

1752
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:19,360
2020

1753
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:22,960
terence mckenna said this in 1995.

1754
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:26,159
check this out he says every culture

1755
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,040
that has ever

1756
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:29,760
existed has operated under the illusion

1757
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:33,280
that it understood 95 percent of reality

1758
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:35,920
and that the other 5 will be delivered

1759
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:38,400
in the next 18 months

1760
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,120
and from egypt forward they've been

1761
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,199
running around believing that they had a

1762
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:45,520
perfect grip on things and yet we look

1763
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:47,840
back at every society that predicted

1764
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,840
us with great smugness at how naive they

1765
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,040
all were

1766
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,239
well it never occurs to us then

1767
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:58,800
that maybe we're whistling in the dark

1768
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:59,679
too

1769
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:02,239
that the universe is stranger than you

1770
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:03,600
can suppose

1771
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:06,880
and that that that openness that

1772
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,480
that perception imparts is a great joy

1773
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,280
a great blessing because then you can

1774
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,679
live your life not in service to some

1775
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:17,520
fantastic metaphor

1776
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,719
but in service to the living mystery the

1777
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,159
fact that you've not

1778
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,320
uh that you're not going to understand

1779
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:25,920
it it is not going to

1780
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:29,199
yield to logic or to magic or

1781
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:31,360
any other technique that has been

1782
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,800
developed

1783
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:35,280
and you're just like holy crap right i

1784
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:36,719
mean how

1785
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:39,040
i this sounds like it was written this

1786
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:40,640
morning for you and i

1787
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,239
jay yeah because

1788
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:47,040
the the thing is is that the world

1789
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:48,239
really is

1790
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:54,560
to a dream than to

1791
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,840
any kind of concrete reality and i think

1792
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,000
that we

1793
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:03,040
what what terence always said which has

1794
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:04,480
really intrigued me

1795
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:08,640
and i later uh fell into the works of uh

1796
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,239
the anthropologist robert lawler

1797
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,320
but and i think that terence was heavily

1798
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:16,000
influenced by robert lawler

1799
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:19,360
was that we had and and and if you look

1800
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:20,000
at the

1801
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:23,920
vedic uh the literature from india

1802
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,040
we the human race had a drug

1803
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,719
a plaque drug called soma

1804
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:32,960
and that everyone used it it's written

1805
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,000
all about

1806
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,199
in these ancient books and we don't know

1807
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:38,960
what soma was

1808
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:42,239
but what terence contended was that

1809
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:46,800
for thousands of years the human race

1810
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,840
was essentially living in a psychedelic

1811
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:51,040
state

1812
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,840
and uh we were just at one with nature

1813
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,760
and again this all agrees with lawler's

1814
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:00,880
view of the world

1815
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:03,920
and then um what happened is

1816
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:07,440
uh is that we used it all up

1817
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:10,320
we there were no more there was no more

1818
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:11,760
psychedelics

1819
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:14,719
and we came out of that state and we

1820
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:15,600
sobered up

1821
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,960
to quote terence and um

1822
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,120
what happened is is that we came out of

1823
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:23,679
that state supposedly in his view

1824
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:27,199
about 6 000 years ago and we

1825
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:32,239
suddenly um had no more psychedelics

1826
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,520
and so we took the knowledge

1827
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,679
that the psychedelics had given us about

1828
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:39,280
geometry

1829
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:43,760
and reality and we began to concretize

1830
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:44,320
it

1831
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:48,640
and pyramids

1832
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,159
and um create religions that sort of

1833
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:54,880
created the same kind of

1834
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:58,000
ambiance that the psychedelics created

1835
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:58,640
we

1836
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:01,760
discovered forms of meditation

1837
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:04,800
and yoga and all of these things that

1838
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:05,360
would

1839
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:09,199
help us have a natural psychedelic state

1840
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:09,920
because

1841
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,480
there were no more psychedelics and it

1842
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:13,760
wasn't until

1843
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,960
the europeans you know came into the

1844
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:18,800
americas

1845
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:21,679
and then went south into south america

1846
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:22,000
and

1847
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:25,840
into mexico that we rediscovered these

1848
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:28,880
psychedelic substances

1849
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:31,920
and then we moved into

1850
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:35,280
the um and now that is why we are now

1851
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,239
moving in

1852
01:19:41,229 --> 01:19:38,880
to the third stage so the first stage

1853
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,239
was hunter-gatherer

1854
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:44,480
psychedelically prone

1855
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:47,600
shamanistic culture to

1856
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:50,480
the mechanistic science culture of the

1857
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:52,400
last 6 000 years

1858
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:55,600
and now we're re-emerging re-emerging

1859
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:58,719
back into that psychedelic culture only

1860
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:01,520
we now have achieved high technology

1861
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:04,960
because of the sobriety period um

1862
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,679
and now we're going into a period that

1863
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:09,600
is anybody's guess

1864
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,639
he says here it's really funny how the

1865
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:14,400
universe is connected

1866
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:16,880
because based on what you just said

1867
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:18,320
listen to this quote

1868
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:21,760
again 1995. culture

1869
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:25,120
remember everybody this is before

1870
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:29,440
the internet age and and social media

1871
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:32,320
and facebook and and directed

1872
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,440
advertising

1873
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,440
and everything that we're dealing with

1874
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:37,199
today but listen to this

1875
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:41,040
culture quote culture is a perversion

1876
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:44,639
it fed us it fetishizes objects

1877
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,360
creates consumer mania it preaches

1878
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,600
endless forms of false happiness

1879
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,920
endless forms of false understanding in

1880
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:52,960
a form of

1881
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,159
squirrely religions and silly cults it

1882
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,400
invites people to diminish themselves

1883
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:00,480
and dehumanize themselves

1884
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:03,679
by behaving like machines

1885
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:13,270
you know yeah right it's just like

1886
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,480
it's and and if you think about it when

1887
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,480
you you just mentioned right the visions

1888
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:20,080
of the future

1889
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:23,520
what did terence see that we

1890
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:26,480
obviously completely missed but he had a

1891
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:28,080
vision of the future that is

1892
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:31,679
playing out today and he he obviously

1893
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,360
warned us didn't he yeah and he wanted

1894
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:37,679
us to make the right turn he

1895
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,120
he really was concerned about this um

1896
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:43,440
which you know i think all of the great

1897
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,480
minds of

1898
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,120
of the 20th century or the late 20th

1899
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:49,440
century i think like stanley kubrick

1900
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:52,000
marshall mcluhan william erwin thompson

1901
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,280
terence mckenna

1902
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:55,600
so many others were worried about which

1903
01:22:02,070 --> 01:21:56,320
is

1904
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:02,080
bifurcated state are we going to become

1905
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:05,920
machines like hal in 2001

1906
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:09,040
um or are we going to you know

1907
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:13,199
go through a cultural initiation

1908
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:15,840
where we you know let loose of all the

1909
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:17,360
things that we've been taught

1910
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:20,080
sort of like the the astronaut going

1911
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:21,040
through the abyss

1912
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:24,320
at the end of 2001 and by the way 2001

1913
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:25,280
was one of

1914
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:29,280
terence's favorite films for reasons

1915
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:32,080
and um and so i think that's exactly

1916
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:33,440
what the

1917
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:36,080
we're standing on the precipice now of

1918
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:36,880
choosing

1919
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:40,560
two worlds one world is a world where

1920
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:44,080
mandated vaccines with crispr technology

1921
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,480
and nanobites included

1922
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,880
which will change the genome of the

1923
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:50,239
human race

1924
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:52,239
and maybe that's what the elite or the

1925
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:53,280
aliens

1926
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,400
want or maybe not or

1927
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:58,719
we can choose to go back to a more

1928
01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,520
natural

1929
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,400
lifestyle with our high technology and

1930
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:04,320
you know grow our own food and

1931
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:07,440
be with our families and and friends

1932
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:10,400
and you know occasionally take shrooms

1933
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:11,120
and

1934
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,960
kind of the point where we're at right

1935
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:15,840
now

1936
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,360
and we have to choose and it's a choice

1937
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:21,840
it's a choice for each and every one of

1938
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:22,719
us

1939
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,120
and um i think in my point of view

1940
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:28,719
and i can't speak for terence and i

1941
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,120
never would do that but i think

1942
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,199
you know in my point of view that

1943
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,440
terence would have chosen

1944
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:38,320
going back into nature a re-immersion

1945
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:39,840
into nature

1946
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:43,199
and taking our high-tech goodies with us

1947
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:45,760
so i don't think he wanted would want a

1948
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:47,199
transhumanist

1949
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:50,560
future i know i certainly don't want it

1950
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,760
but that's the choice we're going to

1951
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:54,000
have to make because they're coming at

1952
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:54,719
us and they're

1953
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,520
basically telling us that you know if

1954
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,440
you don't take their mandated

1955
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:00,880
vaccine you're not going to be able to

1956
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:03,840
travel or get a driver's license or go

1957
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:04,880
shopping

1958
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,239
or have an education so they're drawing

1959
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,320
the line in the sand and terence also

1960
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,520
predicted that

1961
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,199
he also told me many times that the

1962
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:15,520
technocrats would draw a line in the

1963
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,320
sand

1964
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:19,280
and try to turn us from uh uh humans

1965
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,639
into machines

1966
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,239
and that was something that we had to be

1967
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:23,760
very wary of

1968
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:27,440
he says here again addressing

1969
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:30,880
exactly what you're saying if he knew

1970
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,679
the society that we have today

1971
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,920
especially the last 30 years because now

1972
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:36,880
we have

1973
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:39,920
one almost two generations now

1974
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:43,199
that uh have grown up only with the

1975
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:44,080
internet

1976
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,679
that's a pretty scary thought when you

1977
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,199
think about it you and i

1978
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:48,880
remember what it was like before the

1979
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:50,080
internet and we have something to

1980
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,360
compare it to

1981
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,080
but today if you're 30 years old 25

1982
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,159
years old a young adult

1983
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:59,199
you have only experienced a world of the

1984
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,159
internet

1985
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,480
and and people walking around staring at

1986
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,080
their phones all day long

1987
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,120
well he said this quote

1988
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:10,000
part of what is wrong with our society

1989
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:11,760
and hence with ourselves

1990
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:15,120
is that we consume images

1991
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:19,040
we don't produce them we need to produce

1992
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:22,400
not consume media

1993
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:25,520
end quote and and and and what is so

1994
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:26,080
heavy

1995
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,440
about that is and what i think terence

1996
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:30,880
is saying here very

1997
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:35,280
clearly is that we need to be painters

1998
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,719
right we need to be creative we need to

1999
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,080
do that with ourselves

2000
01:25:43,149 --> 01:25:42,320
instead of doing nothing with ourselves

2001
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:43,159
and just

2002
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,880
observing you know watching television

2003
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,960
or you know watching watching what

2004
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:50,880
consuming the media

2005
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:54,159
instead of creating it profound strong

2006
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,280
words right there from terence yeah it's

2007
01:26:02,229 --> 01:25:58,800
kind of um

2008
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:02,239
i've come to the uh a point where

2009
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,600
i've you know again heavily influenced

2010
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:06,880
by terrance

2011
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:10,480
that the um civil war

2012
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,679
that is may be coming down upon us

2013
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:15,520
is not going to be a civil war of left

2014
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,719
versus right

2015
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,639
conservative versus liberal it's going

2016
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:20,480
to be the happy people

2017
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,600
and against the unhappy people and the

2018
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:25,040
thing is is that

2019
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:26,880
what when if you think about what

2020
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:28,960
terence is doing

2021
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,440
he's really spreading happiness that's

2022
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,639
what he's doing with uh

2023
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:34,400
teaching people how to grow mushrooms in

2024
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,520
their homes that's what mushrooms do

2025
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,520
but we've done many uh there have been

2026
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:40,880
many psychological

2027
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,080
psychiatric tests in the last few years

2028
01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:45,840
of people taking mushrooms and

2029
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,840
they've cured depression they've cured

2030
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:50,400
anxiety

2031
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:52,000
people that can't go out of their house

2032
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:53,120
because they're too afraid of the

2033
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:54,159
outside world

2034
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:57,520
have been cured of that iraqi war vets

2035
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:01,040
have had their war um their

2036
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,320
things that have happened to them in the

2037
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:05,440
war um have been healed

2038
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:08,480
um and so you know you can't really take

2039
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,880
mushrooms if you're an unhappy person

2040
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:12,480
because you'll have a bad trip

2041
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:15,520
because it's all about you know shut up

2042
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:18,639
yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah and

2043
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:21,679
and so i really do believe that that is

2044
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:23,199
what's going on here

2045
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:25,120
is that the unhappy people are doing

2046
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,480
everything they can

2047
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:29,040
to destroy the happiness of that happy

2048
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,920
people

2049
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,679
and you know we just want to you know

2050
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,280
listen to music and

2051
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,600
you know take mushrooms and be with our

2052
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,400
friends and family and have good sex and

2053
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,199
and good food and have a nice time and

2054
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:42,719
the unhappy people just

2055
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:45,600
don't have a nice time and so we're

2056
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,719
going to have to decide what we're going

2057
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:48,560
to do with all these unhappy people

2058
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:51,120
frankly i wish they would become happy

2059
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:52,719
and i know terence would have liked that

2060
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:53,040
too

2061
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:56,239
terrence was a very happy person as i am

2062
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,840
and um you know they're unhappy people

2063
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:01,280
just have no sense of

2064
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:05,120
adventure or questioning things or

2065
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:08,320
or or anything and so i think that

2066
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:11,120
in the end right now we're going to have

2067
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,320
to decide

2068
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:14,480
what we're going to do are we going to

2069
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:15,440
be a happy

2070
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:17,120
human race or are we going to be an

2071
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:18,800
unhappy human race

2072
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:21,360
and here is another uh i'm going to read

2073
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:22,880
this is short

2074
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,440
and we are going to need to talk about

2075
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:26,639
this after the break

2076
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:30,000
it's too heavy this might be his best

2077
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:33,360
and that says a lot quote

2078
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:36,639
my technique which i recommend to you

2079
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,480
is don't believe anything

2080
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:42,960
if you believe in something you are

2081
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:43,840
automatically

2082
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:47,120
precluded from believing its opposite

2083
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:52,639
end quote right knocked out of the park

2084
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,880
yeah that made my brain go smooth yeah

2085
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:56,480
right right right

2086
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:59,600
anybody on social media today needs to

2087
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:00,800
read that quote

2088
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:04,159
right i mean and it's

2089
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:08,159
it's only because the divisiveness

2090
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:11,760
today is because this is what's

2091
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:12,320
happening

2092
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:15,679
he's warning us right here nobody wants

2093
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:17,120
to listen to anybody else

2094
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:20,239
nobody wan everything is only in

2095
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:24,080
your bubble you are only believing

2096
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:27,760
that and because of that everybody

2097
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:31,120
else the rest of the planet is crazy and

2098
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:34,159
wrong and that is about as unhealthy as

2099
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,679
it gets and that's where we find

2100
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:37,520
ourselves today right here not only in

2101
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:38,800
this country jay

2102
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:43,990
yeah i mean that's what psychedelics do

2103
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:45,679
they blow your bubbles up

2104
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:47,199
um and i think that's what terrance

2105
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:48,480
wanted to do that's what mystical

2106
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:49,920
experiences do too

2107
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,080
they blow all your own bubbles up you

2108
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:54,239
realize that you really don't understand

2109
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:55,440
the world

2110
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:58,719
and and that's a good thing it's it's

2111
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,639
it's fascinating to me

2112
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,159
you know what else is fascinating

2113
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:04,960
because exactly what he's saying here

2114
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:07,280
it doesn't matter what you do you go

2115
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:08,239
through this j

2116
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:11,360
on social media i i watch i watch it all

2117
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:12,800
you have to do

2118
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:15,679
is type in a word and you get an

2119
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:16,480
argument

2120
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:20,719
right type in a word uh puppies

2121
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:23,520
you've got to fight you know it's it's

2122
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:23,920
it's

2123
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,280
are

2124
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:29,760
today let's take our break right here

2125
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,560
tonight

2126
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:33,600
jay widener the life and times of

2127
01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:34,239
terrence

2128
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,400
mckenna it's going to be a fascinating

2129
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:38,239
show we're just getting started we'll be

2130
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,800
right back

2131
01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:40,880
more of jay after this short break this

2132
01:30:51,310 --> 01:31:00,830
[Music]

2133
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:02,790
so way out here

2134
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:05,280
we listen to jimmy church you're

2135
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:08,159
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2136
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:10,000
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2137
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:12,080
alternative talk jimmy church

2138
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:29,990
[Applause]

2139
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,070
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2140
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2141
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2182
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2183
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:15,280
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2184
01:33:19,669 --> 01:33:18,400
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2185
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:19,679
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2186
01:33:48,830 --> 01:33:37,680
ciao

2187
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:48,840
[Music]

2188
01:34:06,550 --> 01:33:50,090
so

2189
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:08,070
welcome back fade to black i'm yours

2190
01:34:10,709 --> 01:34:09,920
jimmy church tonight jay widener the

2191
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:10,719
life and

2192
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:13,920
times of terence mckenna tomorrow night

2193
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,120
caroline ford

2194
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:17,520
carolyn ford is going to be here talking

2195
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:20,320
about crystal skulls and the power

2196
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,920
that they may possess we'll be doing

2197
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,360
that tomorrow night thursday night

2198
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:25,600
is another fader night with open lines

2199
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,719
all night long

2200
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:29,040
tonight it's all about jay widener and

2201
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:30,400
terence mckenna

2202
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:35,120
jay i just on a personal level

2203
01:34:41,669 --> 01:34:38,159
what is it like to sit down

2204
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,679
with a mind like terence and try to

2205
01:34:45,910 --> 01:34:43,679
attempt to start a conversation

2206
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:45,920
i mean you're at the losing end already

2207
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:47,280
how do you how do you

2208
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:50,880
how do you get terence's attention

2209
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:54,320
uh it was tough uh you know he

2210
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,600
definitely uh and he deserved it

2211
01:35:01,430 --> 01:35:00,239
he had a superior attitude he was a

2212
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:01,440
scorpio

2213
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:04,480
so he could be incredibly acidic and

2214
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:07,600
um sarcastic

2215
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:11,760
he was well known for his uh his sarcasm

2216
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:14,800
and um and he was he was not

2217
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:17,840
easily it wasn't easy to impress him and

2218
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,320
so

2219
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:20,719
i had to you know really pull out all

2220
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:21,840
the all the

2221
01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:24,639
the guns to get to impress him to get

2222
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:25,040
him

2223
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:27,440
you know to understand that i was maybe

2224
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:28,719
not as equal

2225
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,560
but i could at least play in the same

2226
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:32,239
sandbox with him

2227
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:35,040
and um so that took a while i was

2228
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:36,400
probably the hardest

2229
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:39,600
part of my struggle and uh but

2230
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:41,600
uh eventually you know he came around

2231
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:42,880
especially

2232
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:46,320
uh around alchemy and the cross of hende

2233
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:48,080
and he thought that was just incredibly

2234
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:50,239
fascinating couldn't believe that i

2235
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:51,679
discovered something

2236
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:55,280
about it and um you know it reinforced

2237
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:56,320
his own view

2238
01:36:03,750 --> 01:35:59,840
of course of uh the cyclic nature

2239
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:03,760
of reality and so uh to see that there

2240
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,560
was a cross

2241
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:07,440
in the south of france over 400 years

2242
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:08,719
old which was

2243
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:11,360
you know reinforcing all the things that

2244
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,639
he had thought

2245
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:14,639
you know i think it really made him

2246
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:16,400
change his mind about me

2247
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:19,520
there is a when when we talk about and

2248
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:21,360
he used to drive this point home he

2249
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:22,560
talked about a lot

2250
01:36:30,149 --> 01:36:25,760
a lot about not believing in

2251
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:30,159
anything and there was a danger in that

2252
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,560
and he kept driving he would go back to

2253
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:34,639
this point because he was called out

2254
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:38,080
on it quite a bit and

2255
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:42,000
there was uh a couple of statements that

2256
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:42,719
he made

2257
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:44,320
about science when you get into

2258
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:45,760
consciousness

2259
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,760
and and the universe and trying to

2260
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,440
discover the wonder of it all

2261
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,360
he felt that science was falling short

2262
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:53,520
there and then

2263
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:56,159
like this quote here continuing with

2264
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:58,000
your point that you just made

2265
01:37:02,629 --> 01:37:00,400
we are asked by science to believe that

2266
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:02,639
the entire universe sprang from

2267
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:03,920
nothingness

2268
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:05,840
and at a single point and for no

2269
01:37:09,629 --> 01:37:07,119
discernible reason

2270
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:09,639
this notion is the limit case for

2271
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:10,800
believability

2272
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:13,840
in other words if you can believe this

2273
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:17,199
you can believe anything and i think

2274
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:18,800
that's one of the best points

2275
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:26,709
have a belief system and trust in

2276
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:27,440
yourself

2277
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,800
that's fine but you need to always have

2278
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,119
open ears and an open mind and

2279
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:35,119
constantly on a quest

2280
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,800
for knowledge and you can't close

2281
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,159
yourself down

2282
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:40,000
you need to do that i think that's the

2283
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:43,040
point that he always tried to make right

2284
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:49,990
science likes to play out that they

2285
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,639
understand what's going on but then

2286
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:54,560
they've got this thing called the big

2287
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:55,679
bang

2288
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:58,719
us

2289
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:02,400
is that everything you see in the entire

2290
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:03,600
universe

2291
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:08,159
all came out of a little tiny explosion

2292
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:10,880
that was about the size of a dime and

2293
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:12,800
they won't tell us what was here before

2294
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,159
that explosion

2295
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:17,199
so in other words science is saying we

2296
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,239
can explain

2297
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:21,119
everything there is if you just give us

2298
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,000
one

2299
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:25,119
free miracle if you just give us

2300
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:27,440
that one free miracle called the big

2301
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:28,159
bang

2302
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:31,760
then we got the rest of it down baby

2303
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:35,199
yeah and and true yeah that's right and

2304
01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:38,520
today it's really funny how you hear

2305
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:41,520
astrophysicists and physicists uh and

2306
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:42,560
astronomers

2307
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,000
they're kind of like trying to have

2308
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:46,000
another discussion here

2309
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,760
right and they're trying to get away

2310
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:49,760
from the big bang because

2311
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,600
of uh not only its believability because

2312
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:55,760
they've been selling it for so long

2313
01:39:01,530 --> 01:38:58,880
and it is now you know dogma that

2314
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:01,540
that is in stone that uh

2315
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:02,880
[Music]

2316
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:05,760
einstein's calculations only go back so

2317
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,560
far

2318
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,639
and then they just jumble and don't make

2319
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,400
any sense and i'm talking about

2320
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:12,239
back to the beginning you know they wind

2321
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,080
it back winding it back winding back

2322
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,400
well they've been at that stone wall for

2323
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:18,400
such a long time now that just

2324
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,320
maybe maybe there's something else here

2325
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:23,920
theoretically that we need to

2326
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:26,719
discuss and it's not about uh the big

2327
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:27,840
bang

2328
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:30,960
um and he says he says this

2329
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:34,880
hold on i want to uh get to uh

2330
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:38,960
oh okay this is what he says about that

2331
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:41,119
oh man about science he says the main

2332
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,800
difference between quote

2333
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:44,800
the main difference between our world

2334
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:46,159
and the world that science

2335
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:49,119
tells us we're living in is that science

2336
01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:52,320
denies the quirky freaky cosmic giggle

2337
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,600
high plottedness

2338
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:56,080
completely improbable totally quirky

2339
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:56,800
humor

2340
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:59,920
that binds everything together and that

2341
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:00,639
makes it

2342
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:03,119
something other than an engine in which

2343
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:03,760
atoms

2344
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:06,960
blindly run and quote

2345
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:10,159
just oh man

2346
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:13,600
and it's uh it's strong man

2347
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:17,440
i think i i think that um

2348
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,719
the old physical uh view

2349
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:23,119
of physics of the universe with the big

2350
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,760
bang

2351
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,840
and a beginning and now we're here at

2352
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,560
the 13 billion years and all that

2353
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:30,960
i think that's wrong and i think uh

2354
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:32,159
science is

2355
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:36,719
moving uh uh uh ever more closely to

2356
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,239
a view of a plasma universe

2357
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:42,800
and um there's a great physicist named

2358
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:44,000
alvin's

2359
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:47,119
who postulated that the universe

2360
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,560
is is plasma and then if you look at

2361
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:53,360
through the hubble space telescope and

2362
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:55,520
you look at what they call birkeland

2363
01:41:02,790 --> 01:40:59,440
currents which is these long extended

2364
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:02,800
electrical plasma fields that exist

2365
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:05,520
between galaxies

2366
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:09,360
you and then you look at uh blood plasma

2367
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:13,040
electromagnet microscope uh imagery of

2368
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:14,960
human blood plasma

2369
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:17,520
you get you see that we also have these

2370
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,560
weird

2371
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,159
things that look just like birkeland

2372
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:22,400
currents uh in us

2373
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:26,320
and uh this has made me come to realize

2374
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,679
that the universe may actually be alive

2375
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:32,080
it may actually be something that is

2376
01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:33,040
living

2377
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,760
and that is really electrical now what's

2378
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:37,520
interesting about that

2379
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:42,639
is that um psychedelics

2380
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,400
let us get a glimpse of this plasma

2381
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:48,080
universe that we normally

2382
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:51,360
cannot see and so i think that

2383
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:54,880
terrence in a heavy duty

2384
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,320
psychedelic experience actually

2385
01:42:01,430 --> 01:42:00,480
any and i got this from some of my talks

2386
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:01,440
with him

2387
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:04,800
he actually saw the plasma

2388
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:07,440
universe and began realizing that

2389
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:09,679
mechanical universe was completely

2390
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,639
flawed

2391
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:12,400
it had nothing to do with the universe

2392
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:14,719
was alive just like

2393
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:17,760
the oceans are alive with fish

2394
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,119
that flow with the water so is the

2395
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:23,920
universe alive with an invisible ocean

2396
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:25,360
called plasma

2397
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:28,480
and um alchemy actually

2398
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:31,679
would agree with that um uh the

2399
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:34,880
in alchemy they can't understand

2400
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:37,600
alchemy until you understand the secret

2401
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:38,400
fire

2402
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:44,719
can see it

2403
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:47,280
and that would be plasma plasma does not

2404
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:48,400
burn

2405
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,040
it is fire and you can see it and so i

2406
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:53,119
think terence accidentally

2407
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:57,040
got a view of that science had not

2408
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:58,159
really been

2409
01:43:01,669 --> 01:43:00,080
explained while he was alive i mean

2410
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:01,679
alvin's had been around

2411
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:04,080
but he been trying i don't think he'd

2412
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:05,840
been translated to english yet

2413
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:09,520
and so i think that it through pure

2414
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:12,639
mystical experience terence mckenna

2415
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:14,000
actually saw

2416
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:17,119
the actual true physical nature

2417
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:20,080
of our universe one that is alchemical

2418
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:21,199
in nature

2419
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:24,480
and again i think that was why he was

2420
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:27,679
going into alchemy at the end there

2421
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:28,960
because he realized

2422
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,800
that it was truly the only um science

2423
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:35,360
that explained what he saw in his

2424
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:37,280
mystical experiences

2425
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:41,199
and he also felt that the

2426
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:43,600
the belief if you are going to have a

2427
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:44,880
belief it's fine

2428
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:48,480
if you experience the belief right which

2429
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:48,880
is

2430
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:52,560
what he did like with the iching or

2431
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:55,199
not only with ayahuasca and experiencing

2432
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,040
these parallel worlds

2433
01:44:00,870 --> 01:44:00,159
but his belief in what was going on was

2434
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:00,880
because

2435
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:03,920
he went through the experience it wasn't

2436
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:05,280
something that he had heard from

2437
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:06,800
somebody else

2438
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,960
and i am going to uh well go ahead

2439
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:12,960
no no you're right and you know you got

2440
01:44:15,990 --> 01:44:14,719
to remember terence was you know he grew

2441
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:16,000
up catholic

2442
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:21,520
weird religion where

2443
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,440
the the mass itself almost induces a

2444
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:27,520
mystical experience with the

2445
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,560
gregorian chants and the incense and

2446
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:32,800
all of that's when you're young and you

2447
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:34,560
know

2448
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,480
it has this weird influence on you and i

2449
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:37,920
don't think it's an accident

2450
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:40,320
that a lot of the great uh modern

2451
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:41,520
philosophers of

2452
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:43,840
the alternative philosophers like

2453
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:45,440
marshall mcluhan and

2454
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:46,960
william erwin thompson and terence

2455
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:49,760
mckinnon robert anton wilson and timothy

2456
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:50,480
leary

2457
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:53,199
were all ex-catholics and i think that

2458
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:53,679
um

2459
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:57,280
and i am too and i think that uh

2460
01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:00,400
that changes the way you

2461
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,560
think and when you realize when you

2462
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,560
finally come to realize you know

2463
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:07,199
that you know catholicism probably is

2464
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:07,840
not

2465
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,800
the real story of what's going on uh

2466
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:12,719
then you realize that

2467
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:16,560
probably no one has the real story

2468
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:19,679
of what's going on and the psychedelic

2469
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:22,960
experience just really confirms that uh

2470
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:26,320
that that there really is um

2471
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:30,239
a kind of mystical uncertainty

2472
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:32,719
about the universe and what's going on

2473
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:33,360
today

2474
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:36,560
with the coven and all that is

2475
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:39,760
we are being shown firsthand

2476
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:42,080
that the experts that we always believe

2477
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:43,360
knew everything

2478
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:45,440
actually don't know anything and that's

2479
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,600
the only thing that we can be sure of

2480
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:49,600
is that there's nothing that we can be

2481
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:51,600
sure of and that would be a quote that

2482
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:53,760
terence would definitely approve of

2483
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:57,040
and um and i think that the this whole

2484
01:46:01,030 --> 01:45:59,600
crisis that we've been going through is

2485
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:01,040
going to make us

2486
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:04,400
more dependent on our own intuition

2487
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:07,600
and by doing that we're going to um

2488
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:10,560
make that intuition grow more powerful

2489
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,000
and we'll begin making more

2490
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:14,800
and more a right decisions without the

2491
01:46:18,870 --> 01:46:16,080
need of experts

2492
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,880
and i think again these experts see the

2493
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:20,880
world in this mechanistic

2494
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,600
form that terrence would have rejected

2495
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:25,600
wholeheartedly and i do too

2496
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:27,440
i do not believe that the world is a

2497
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:28,800
giant engine

2498
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:31,840
the way that newton and einstein thought

2499
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:32,400
of it

2500
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:35,040
i believe that the world is an ebbing

2501
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:36,400
and flowing of nature

2502
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:40,000
and natural processes uh wherever you go

2503
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:42,880
and i you know have to say that i

2504
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:43,440
learned

2505
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:46,880
to feel that through the psychedelic

2506
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:48,400
experiences that i had

2507
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:51,360
i owe a great deal to those experiences

2508
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:51,760
and

2509
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:55,199
um you know i did the heroic dose

2510
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:58,159
of five grams in a dark room and it did

2511
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:58,480
have

2512
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:01,679
a profound effect on me and um

2513
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:04,159
i don't recommend everybody do that no

2514
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:05,040
but i

2515
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,480
recommend that if you're a happy person

2516
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:10,880
and you're stable and you can create a

2517
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:11,600
good

2518
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:14,639
um circumstances before you do it then i

2519
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:17,280
would recommend doing a heroic dose but

2520
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:19,360
uh don't base it on you know anything i

2521
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:21,199
say you should base it on your own

2522
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:22,320
intuition

2523
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:24,320
but again you know terrence did not

2524
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:25,520
believe

2525
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,800
that everybody should take drugs that is

2526
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:30,400
not what he believed

2527
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:32,719
he believed he did not believe that

2528
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:34,000
anyone should take

2529
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:37,199
any drug that wasn't um organic

2530
01:47:42,149 --> 01:47:40,080
in other words no synthetic drugs um he

2531
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,159
did do dmt a few times

2532
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:44,159
but for the most part it was ayahuasca

2533
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:46,159
and mushrooms and cannabis

2534
01:47:51,430 --> 01:47:50,080
and uh he he had a rule and his rule was

2535
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:51,440
that it had to have

2536
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:54,320
anything you take had to have at least a

2537
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:56,960
thousand years of human use

2538
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:58,960
before you should take it and so he

2539
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:01,199
wouldn't take anything that did not have

2540
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:03,040
at least a thousand year history of

2541
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,480
human use

2542
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:06,239
and that makes a lot of sense

2543
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:08,000
thousand-year rule

2544
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:14,480
rule yeah um i wanted

2545
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,360
to uh i want to get into itching and

2546
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:19,119
we're going to get to that in in just a

2547
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:20,000
second

2548
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:22,159
and and a couple of other things but

2549
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:24,400
i've got this quote that i don't want to

2550
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:26,080
get away from us because

2551
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:28,800
it's exactly what we are talking about

2552
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:30,000
right here

2553
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:33,679
and he says this i have been vehemently

2554
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:36,159
accused by people who didn't understand

2555
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:37,040
me of not

2556
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:39,679
believing in anything i don't believe in

2557
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:40,480
anything

2558
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,880
this is not a statement of existential

2559
01:48:48,149 --> 01:48:44,960
hopelessness for you to

2560
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,159
shed light a candle for me at night

2561
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:51,119
it's a strategy for not getting bogged

2562
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:51,600
down

2563
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:54,960
in some weird trip after all

2564
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,000
what is the basis for believing anything

2565
01:49:02,070 --> 01:49:01,199
i mean you should understand you are a

2566
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,080
monkey

2567
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:04,960
and some kind of biological situation

2568
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:06,400
where everything has been

2569
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,080
evolved to serve the economy of survival

2570
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:12,960
this is not a philosophy course so

2571
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:15,440
belief is a curious reaction to the

2572
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:17,360
present at hand

2573
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:20,480
it isn't to be believed it is to be

2574
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:24,000
dealt with experienced and modeled

2575
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:27,679
end quote it's about as that is about as

2576
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:30,080
heavy and as true to the course

2577
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:33,360
as it can be right yeah i think that's

2578
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:34,320
what he what he

2579
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:38,639
really wanted to do was he didn't want

2580
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:39,920
and that's what we're going through

2581
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:42,000
right now we're we're getting rid

2582
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:44,800
of all these heavy weights that we've

2583
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:46,480
been carrying with us

2584
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:49,679
that uh were put on us by historical

2585
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,960
uh events uh including religion and

2586
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,320
philosophy

2587
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:56,560
and really and truly what did those

2588
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:57,679
people

2589
01:50:00,709 --> 01:50:00,000
really know that invented our religions

2590
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:00,719
um

2591
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:04,080
the religions don't really have much in

2592
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:04,480
the

2593
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:17,040
taoism and maybe a little bit of

2594
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:17,920
buddhism

2595
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:20,320
but the rest of them are really just

2596
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:22,719
political dogmas teaching you

2597
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:25,440
really dictating to you how to live your

2598
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:26,320
life

2599
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,280
and um again there's no history of

2600
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:30,960
psychedelic use with any of these

2601
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:32,000
religions

2602
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,360
although you know graham

2603
01:50:39,430 --> 01:50:38,400
has pointed out that moses may have had

2604
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:39,440
a psychedelic

2605
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:43,119
um experience up on mount sinai

2606
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:46,560
but um and graham hancock by the way has

2607
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:47,920
really been the person

2608
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:51,199
who's kind of taken up the the baton of

2609
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:52,000
terrence

2610
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,639
in his book supernatural uh he talks all

2611
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,480
about the history of psychedelics and

2612
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:58,159
his own experiences

2613
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:01,280
and um so i i'm grateful

2614
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:04,320
that mine like uh graham hancock is

2615
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,440
is also exploring this i think terence

2616
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:08,639
would have been grateful

2617
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:11,280
for the assistance of having another

2618
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:13,040
intellectual look at this

2619
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:15,119
uh subject and realize how really

2620
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,320
important it is

2621
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:18,159
uh graham actually goes and i think

2622
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:20,000
terence would also agree with this

2623
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:24,080
that the alien experience is not really

2624
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:27,360
creatures from other planets but

2625
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,800
uh these creatures that occupy uh

2626
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,280
parallel realities with us here right

2627
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,360
now on this planet

2628
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:37,199
that they've always been here and that

2629
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:39,119
when you take psychedelics

2630
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:40,960
you're allowed to see them and interact

2631
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:42,480
with them and then

2632
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,920
you know there's mystics who can

2633
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:45,520
interact and see

2634
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:49,040
these beings without taking psychedelics

2635
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:51,119
but you know we've let a lot of our

2636
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,639
skills atrophy

2637
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:55,679
terrence also knew that and he knew that

2638
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:59,280
psychedelics were a way to kind of

2639
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:02,239
kick the dust off of some of our old

2640
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:03,280
talents

2641
01:52:09,589 --> 01:52:06,800
and let them re-emerge um you know

2642
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:09,599
what would be better you know as a

2643
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,880
hunter-gatherer

2644
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:13,199
than to have intuition to be able to

2645
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,920
tell

2646
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:15,360
you know where the animals and the

2647
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:17,440
plants that you're looking for to eat

2648
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:20,880
are and we know from the works of

2649
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:23,440
rupert sheldrake that animals actually

2650
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:24,639
do possess

2651
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:28,080
a great deal of intuitive sense in other

2652
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:30,080
words bears in alaska

2653
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:33,199
seem to know right when the salmon are

2654
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:34,719
arriving

2655
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,760
as soon as the salmon arrive the bears

2656
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:39,599
all turn and start walking towards the

2657
01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:40,239
water

2658
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:43,119
even if the salmon are arriving late or

2659
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:44,080
early and

2660
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,560
a rupert children has also shown that

2661
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:48,480
dogs seem to know when their owners are

2662
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:49,840
coming home

2663
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:52,239
or long before the owner even knows that

2664
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,440
he's about to come home

2665
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:55,760
the dog is ready and waiting for the

2666
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:56,880
owner and so

2667
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:59,840
nature is this feedback system and i

2668
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:00,719
think that you know

2669
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:04,159
terence knew that it's not just humans

2670
01:53:09,390 --> 01:53:07,360
walking around in in space

2671
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:09,400
it's humans walking around emitting

2672
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:10,800
pheromones

2673
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:14,320
uh which are uh odor sensors uh there

2674
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,719
are

2675
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:16,639
uh histamines in the air that we're

2676
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:17,760
processing

2677
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,199
there's this gigantic huge invisible

2678
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:23,199
world that we're walking around in

2679
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:25,119
and we don't know it and once you

2680
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:26,719
understand it of course you can't

2681
01:53:31,830 --> 01:53:28,400
believe in anything

2682
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:31,840
because there's so much we don't know

2683
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:35,280
i asked graham that's a couple of years

2684
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,560
ago and you know graham

2685
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:38,719
pretty well i you know and i know graham

2686
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:45,189
how many ayahuasca ceremonies have you

2687
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:46,000
done

2688
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:50,080
right jay he looks right at me

2689
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:54,080
uh 75

2690
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:57,119
yeah exactly yeah yeah exactly

2691
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:00,320
let's let's let's table that for now

2692
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:02,480
one of the things when we talk about

2693
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:03,440
this that

2694
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:06,320
uh i remember terrance saying uh this

2695
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:08,320
was at a uh

2696
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:11,840
a conference but he was talking

2697
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:14,880
about uh a ceremony that he

2698
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:18,719
had done um in south america

2699
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:22,639
and he says we were drinking ayahuasca

2700
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:26,239
a lot of it right now and

2701
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,520
this is the thing when terrance says

2702
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:31,440
that i think all of this

2703
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:34,080
you got to go into pause mode because

2704
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:35,760
for terence to say a lot

2705
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:37,920
his version of a lot of my version of a

2706
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,280
lot are two different

2707
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:42,320
uh measurements for sure

2708
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:45,360
but he said that he would do this

2709
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:47,840
to get to the level that he needed to

2710
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:48,560
get to

2711
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:51,520
including what happened with the iching

2712
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:53,520
he's discussed this pro

2713
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:57,440
publicly quite a bit that he had to get

2714
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:01,360
to a state that i believe took a week or

2715
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:02,480
two

2716
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:06,159
of of psychedelics to get to

2717
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:08,000
the point where he understood what he

2718
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:11,599
was looking at with the iching right

2719
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:14,719
yeah he um he literally

2720
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:18,239
took psychedelics every day for like

2721
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:19,119
three weeks

2722
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:21,920
right which i can't imagine increasing

2723
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:22,800
the dosage

2724
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:26,000
every day so that it would it would it

2725
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:27,679
would do the effect that he was looking

2726
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:30,320
for and then he began

2727
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:34,400
um seeing these cycles within the

2728
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:35,520
eachine

2729
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:37,599
and you realize that if you kept

2730
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:39,199
extrapolating out

2731
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:42,400
these cycles that he could see the the

2732
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:43,280
rhythm

2733
01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:49,119
he you know and he what he did was he

2734
01:55:53,790 --> 01:55:50,239
took the

2735
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:53,800
nuclear explosion uh in august

2736
01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:57,199
1945 uh at trinity

2737
01:56:01,189 --> 01:55:59,920
i think it was it may have been july of

2738
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:01,199
1945

2739
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,040
and so he said that was probably the

2740
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:04,639
most seminal

2741
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,679
event of our modern era and he began

2742
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:09,520
taking the iching and going backwards

2743
01:56:13,109 --> 01:56:10,880
and forwards

2744
01:56:14,229 --> 01:56:13,119
from that moment using these lunar

2745
01:56:17,189 --> 01:56:14,239
cycles

2746
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:17,199
um that the chinese alchemist would use

2747
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:17,840
and

2748
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:20,159
um you know he would hit certain dates

2749
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:21,760
like you know

2750
01:56:27,270 --> 01:56:25,520
the great fire of london in 1666 and

2751
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:27,280
and going backwards he was hitting all

2752
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:29,360
these relevant dates using this thing so

2753
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:30,000
then

2754
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:33,199
he decided to go forward with it and

2755
01:56:36,709 --> 01:56:35,199
see if he could you know detect future

2756
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:36,719
events

2757
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:40,800
and um he had a few hits

2758
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:44,080
of events and then um

2759
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:47,520
then he just it came out that the final

2760
01:56:52,550 --> 01:56:49,440
moon cycle of this

2761
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:52,560
current set would come out to be

2762
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:56,000
in 2012 and then he discovered

2763
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:58,560
the mayan calendar a few years later and

2764
01:57:02,070 --> 01:56:59,840
realized that

2765
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:02,080
they must have been looking at the same

2766
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:03,199
cycles

2767
01:57:09,109 --> 01:57:06,639
that he was looking at and that um

2768
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:09,119
because they were really running

2769
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:10,560
concurrently with

2770
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:14,800
his own cycle and so he concluded that

2771
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:18,800
this was an psychedelic knowledge

2772
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:22,480
that the mushroom itself was giving

2773
01:57:26,470 --> 01:57:25,199
and that since the mayans were also

2774
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:26,480
consumers of

2775
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:28,960
the mushroom uh they had reached the

2776
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:30,880
same conclusion that he had

2777
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:34,800
in separate uh occasions which

2778
01:57:40,149 --> 01:57:38,080
was kind of a weird validation of

2779
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:40,159
everything that he was thinking

2780
01:57:44,149 --> 01:57:43,040
and so whether he didn't believe in it

2781
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:44,159
per se

2782
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:46,159
but he believed that there was a

2783
01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:47,199
coincidence

2784
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:50,960
may have been

2785
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:53,520
he believed that the mushroom has an

2786
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:54,480
intelligence

2787
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:57,599
that it conveys and that it's an organic

2788
01:58:03,270 --> 01:57:59,040
intelligence it's

2789
01:58:07,270 --> 01:58:03,280
it's of of the planet of of the sofia

2790
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:07,280
knowledge um that the planet itself

2791
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:10,400
is imbued with a uh an

2792
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:13,040
intelligence and that it uses the

2793
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:14,800
mushrooms and other

2794
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:17,840
psychedelics to convey that um

2795
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:21,360
intelligence to us let's take our break

2796
01:58:27,990 --> 01:58:23,360
right here jay and when we come back

2797
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:28,000
i want to uh uh dive into the iching

2798
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and the software that he developed along

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with the peter meyer

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time wave zero which again

2801
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it enabled terrance to

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uh and analytically and scientifically

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look at the eachine to confirm

2804
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and help them go back in time like you

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were just describing there

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and also looking forward when he first

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started doing this j i think

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it's very important to note here that he

2809
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did this before his knowledge of the

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mayan calendar

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and the dates that the mayans were

2812
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putting out there it only helped him

2813
01:59:08,310 --> 01:59:05,280
confirm

2814
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the visions that he got with the e ching

2815
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right yeah that's right

2816
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let's take our break right here this is

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fade to black are guessing i j

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widener the life and times of terence

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mckenna when we come back

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we're going to do a deep deep dive into

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the itching it's absolutely incredible

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welcome back paid to black i am your

2948
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:53,360
host jimmy church tonight jay weidner

2949
02:04:58,229 --> 02:04:55,360
we're talking about the life and times

2950
02:05:01,109 --> 02:04:58,239
of terence mckenna

2951
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:01,119
we're gonna jump into the iching here

2952
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:02,800
and

2953
02:05:11,830 --> 02:05:09,599
about as closely as i can uh jay

2954
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it gets complex and and terence was a

2955
02:05:15,589 --> 02:05:13,199
complex mind

2956
02:05:17,430 --> 02:05:15,599
and he liked to talk about complexity

2957
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:17,440
and creativity

2958
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:21,040
and and the human mind and he

2959
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:24,159
felt that and and obviously coming from

2960
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,480
these ceremonies that he had done over

2961
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:27,920
the years

2962
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:30,480
his thought and and you can step in i

2963
02:05:33,510 --> 02:05:31,920
don't want to speak for terence neither

2964
02:05:37,750 --> 02:05:33,520
do you and you can jump in and

2965
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:37,760
correct me but this was my opinion

2966
02:05:44,550 --> 02:05:41,520
is that he felt that

2967
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:44,560
the universe was built for

2968
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:46,960
consciousness it was built for

2969
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:48,400
creativity it was an

2970
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:51,119
engine that ran on that and the more

2971
02:05:56,069 --> 02:05:52,719
creative we got

2972
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:56,079
the more complex the universe got and

2973
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:58,960
he felt that there were ebbs and flows

2974
02:06:03,510 --> 02:05:59,520
of

2975
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:03,520
creativity going back through time

2976
02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:06,719
as he was looking at the iching

2977
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:11,199
he saw the patterns of creativity

2978
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:15,360
dipping and rising and that's where he

2979
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:16,480
felt that

2980
02:06:22,229 --> 02:06:19,520
the the the randomness of that

2981
02:06:23,990 --> 02:06:22,239
was showing that he was right these

2982
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:24,000
ideas this philosophy

2983
02:06:29,350 --> 02:06:27,040
that that he had concluded to

2984
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:29,360
that the universe was built on that not

2985
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:31,679
built on chemicals and science

2986
02:06:38,069 --> 02:06:34,960
it was built for creativity now

2987
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:38,079
let's start there am i right in in

2988
02:06:44,310 --> 02:06:41,520
understanding terrance in this way

2989
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:44,320
uh i would say yeah that's pretty close

2990
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:45,520
to what he thought

2991
02:06:51,589 --> 02:06:49,199
he thought that um he

2992
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:51,599
he thought he had this idea through his

2993
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:53,199
work with the iching

2994
02:07:01,030 --> 02:06:57,040
that time was speeding up and that

2995
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:01,040
complexity was growing and so

2996
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:04,239
what he meant by that was not that

2997
02:07:10,069 --> 02:07:07,920
you know a second today is shorter

2998
02:07:11,830 --> 02:07:10,079
than a second was a hundred years ago or

2999
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:11,840
a hour today

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02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:14,719
is shorter than an hour was a hundred

3001
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:15,840
years ago

3002
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:17,840
he's saying that there's more events

3003
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:18,960
going

3004
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:22,320
in the hour today than there was

3005
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:25,599
in an hour a hundred years ago and so

3006
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:27,040
these events

3007
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:30,159
are ever increasing in complexity and

3008
02:07:34,629 --> 02:07:31,280
boy do we know that

3009
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:34,639
today by watching the world um

3010
02:07:42,310 --> 02:07:38,639
that that that increase of complexity

3011
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:42,320
was causing time to increase or to speed

3012
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:43,199
up

3013
02:07:47,990 --> 02:07:46,159
and um and he got all of this from the e

3014
02:07:48,390 --> 02:07:48,000
chain and what he believed the itching

3015
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:48,400
was

3016
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:52,800
telling you what he told me

3017
02:07:59,510 --> 02:07:56,719
was that when you do the

3018
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:59,520
itching or even like the tarot what

3019
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:00,719
you're doing is

3020
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:04,400
you're taking a snapshot of

3021
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:07,440
a future a possible future

3022
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:11,199
and any number of events can

3023
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:15,440
intervene between now and that possible

3024
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:17,840
future to change that possible future

3025
02:08:22,069 --> 02:08:20,480
but within the snapshot of the moment

3026
02:08:25,350 --> 02:08:22,079
the iching would be very

3027
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:25,360
correct in what it was predicting

3028
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:28,480
um because it was based on

3029
02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:32,320
what he thought was a um

3030
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:36,560
the idea or the coincidence i should say

3031
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:40,560
that there's 64 codons in the dna

3032
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:43,840
there's 64 uh uh uh uh uh

3033
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:47,119
um symbols different uh

3034
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:56,390
and um uh there were 64

3035
02:09:03,350 --> 02:08:59,520
places on the chessboard hexagrams

3036
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:03,360
also is a um a game that plays out the

3037
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:04,560
few

3038
02:09:11,030 --> 02:09:08,000
that's right 64 hexagrams in the in the

3039
02:09:17,030 --> 02:09:14,629
remnants of an ancient civilization that

3040
02:09:19,510 --> 02:09:17,040
was psychedelically based

3041
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:19,520
that again had figured all of this out

3042
02:09:22,870 --> 02:09:20,560
just like

3043
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:22,880
he had figured a lot of it out through

3044
02:09:28,390 --> 02:09:25,360
the psychedelic experience

3045
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:28,400
and he thought that the e chain was in

3046
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:29,840
some ways proof that

3047
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:32,400
in ancient china at some point they did

3048
02:09:37,510 --> 02:09:34,079
have access to

3049
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,520
psychedelic substances and if you go and

3050
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:39,520
you look at um

3051
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:43,040
the the um philosophy

3052
02:09:47,109 --> 02:09:44,960
uh that created the iching which would

3053
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:47,119
be taoism

3054
02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:49,920
you see in the ancient books the taoist

3055
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:51,119
masters

3056
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:53,679
actually said that they did have

3057
02:09:58,830 --> 02:09:55,440
substances

3058
02:10:02,310 --> 02:09:58,840
that they took that would help them gain

3059
02:10:03,189 --> 02:10:02,320
enlightenment but that the emperors of

3060
02:10:05,830 --> 02:10:03,199
china

3061
02:10:07,030 --> 02:10:05,840
would come after them and kill them to

3062
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:07,040
and so they stopped

3063
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:09,520
doing the substances and just started

3064
02:10:13,510 --> 02:10:10,320
doing

3065
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:13,520
uh practices to try to gain the same

3066
02:10:15,990 --> 02:10:14,480
effect

3067
02:10:18,229 --> 02:10:16,000
because they're retired getting killed

3068
02:10:22,229 --> 02:10:18,239
by the by the emperors

3069
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:22,239
and um and so the whole

3070
02:10:30,069 --> 02:10:25,360
uh idea that the iching

3071
02:10:33,750 --> 02:10:30,079
is this ancient uh divination system

3072
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:33,760
uh born out of a psychedelic culture

3073
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:36,320
was you know very close to terence and

3074
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:38,800
he and he used that to create the time

3075
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:39,679
wave

3076
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:44,320
uh zero software with peter myers

3077
02:10:51,270 --> 02:10:47,679
and um uh and it's fascinating

3078
02:10:52,149 --> 02:10:51,280
and uh if you i i think we should

3079
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:52,159
actually find

3080
02:10:56,470 --> 02:10:54,400
peter myers i think he's still around

3081
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:56,480
and find out what the uh

3082
02:11:01,350 --> 02:10:59,360
time wave zero software is talking about

3083
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:01,360
the events that are happening right now

3084
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:03,840
be very interesting yeah it would be it

3085
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:04,560
would be

3086
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:09,360
something else i wanted to ask you

3087
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:13,599
that i think that terence

3088
02:11:20,550 --> 02:11:16,719
wanted to convey i think that he felt

3089
02:11:22,149 --> 02:11:20,560
that with time wave zero and the e ching

3090
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:22,159
and some of these dates you mentioned

3091
02:11:25,430 --> 02:11:24,239
hiroshima which is a crucial date and

3092
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:25,440
how he came to

3093
02:11:32,069 --> 02:11:28,480
2012. more on that in just a second

3094
02:11:35,589 --> 02:11:32,079
but that terence felt because of

3095
02:11:38,950 --> 02:11:35,599
uh the complexity of creativity

3096
02:11:42,390 --> 02:11:38,960
reaching its its it's maximum that

3097
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:42,400
that end time isn't an end of the world

3098
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:45,679
in 2012 but it is

3099
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:48,480
our brains and consciousness finally

3100
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:50,000
coming together

3101
02:11:56,470 --> 02:11:53,040
and exploding into a singularity

3102
02:11:57,669 --> 02:11:56,480
of of of the mind that we would finally

3103
02:12:00,709 --> 02:11:57,679
understand the mind

3104
02:12:04,069 --> 02:12:00,719
and we would know what the brain

3105
02:12:07,510 --> 02:12:04,079
and its its complexity was all about

3106
02:12:10,870 --> 02:12:07,520
and that's what terence was referring to

3107
02:12:12,229 --> 02:12:10,880
uh when that date was finally going to

3108
02:12:13,109 --> 02:12:12,239
happen it wasn't about the end of the

3109
02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:13,119
world

3110
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:14,960
and it wasn't a singularity of

3111
02:12:19,030 --> 02:12:16,800
artificial intelligence

3112
02:12:20,069 --> 02:12:19,040
and a technocracy it was the exact

3113
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:20,079
opposite

3114
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:22,480
right it was the complexity of the mind

3115
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:23,599
finally

3116
02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:26,480
coming together and we would understand

3117
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:26,800
what

3118
02:12:32,550 --> 02:12:30,320
a consciousness was

3119
02:12:33,589 --> 02:12:32,560
yeah at his heart you know he was just a

3120
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:33,599
hippie

3121
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:36,719
and i think what he really wanted was

3122
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:39,760
a kind of uh

3123
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:43,360
like i said a hippie a hippie paradise

3124
02:12:48,149 --> 02:12:45,840
where we would live day to day we

3125
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:48,159
wouldn't be in the corporate world we'd

3126
02:12:52,310 --> 02:12:49,199
be growing our own

3127
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:52,320
food and taking care of ourselves and

3128
02:12:56,069 --> 02:12:54,719
more of a family and friends type of

3129
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:56,079
atmosphere

3130
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:58,560
and that we would use psychedelics and

3131
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:00,000
technology

3132
02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:03,440
to you know uh move forward as a race

3133
02:13:10,390 --> 02:13:05,920
but not become machines

3134
02:13:13,990 --> 02:13:10,400
and uh that it would that the human race

3135
02:13:17,109 --> 02:13:14,000
had to stay human as we became

3136
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:17,119
space farers and we moved out into

3137
02:13:21,430 --> 02:13:20,960
the uh outer space and into the galaxy

3138
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:21,440
and

3139
02:13:28,470 --> 02:13:25,599
uh began to take our natural uh reign

3140
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:28,480
as a you know a part of the galactic

3141
02:13:32,310 --> 02:13:29,360
neighborhood

3142
02:13:33,189 --> 02:13:32,320
and i think that he uh would not have

3143
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:33,199
liked

3144
02:13:38,790 --> 02:13:36,800
a lot of the transhumanism

3145
02:13:40,229 --> 02:13:38,800
and the technocracy that we're seeing

3146
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:40,239
today i just don't think

3147
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:42,320
that terence would have liked that i

3148
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:43,360
think he was

3149
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:46,239
more in favor of a natural approach now

3150
02:13:49,109 --> 02:13:46,560
you

3151
02:13:50,310 --> 02:13:49,119
mentioned earlier now now's the time to

3152
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:50,320
get to this

3153
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:52,639
that here we are in 2020 we're moving

3154
02:13:57,510 --> 02:13:55,440
into 2021

3155
02:13:59,109 --> 02:13:57,520
and we will get this year behind us

3156
02:14:01,510 --> 02:13:59,119
somehow

3157
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:01,520
that that is going to happen but but

3158
02:14:08,229 --> 02:14:03,679
that 2030

3159
02:14:11,510 --> 02:14:08,239
is a year that we need to focus on too

3160
02:14:12,550 --> 02:14:11,520
how does this apply back to uh terrance

3161
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:12,560
in the e-ching

3162
02:14:16,629 --> 02:14:15,119
in the timeline that he was telling us

3163
02:14:18,950 --> 02:14:16,639
about

3164
02:14:19,750 --> 02:14:18,960
you know i really don't know um that

3165
02:14:22,550 --> 02:14:19,760
kind of the

3166
02:14:24,069 --> 02:14:22,560
uh interest in the in the in terrence's

3167
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:24,079
work has fallen off that's one of the

3168
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:25,760
reasons i'm doing this show

3169
02:14:30,229 --> 02:14:29,040
i want to reinvigorate the interest in

3170
02:14:33,189 --> 02:14:30,239
terrence's work

3171
02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:33,199
um i would like to find out what the

3172
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:34,719
time wave is saying about this

3173
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:36,079
particular time wave

3174
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:38,960
our time period i bet it is going to be

3175
02:14:43,589 --> 02:14:40,320
spot on

3176
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,599
um but uh you know what we're going

3177
02:14:49,669 --> 02:14:45,840
through now

3178
02:14:52,709 --> 02:14:49,679
is um the

3179
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:52,719
what the alchemists and uh

3180
02:14:57,109 --> 02:14:55,920
always talked about was that there's

3181
02:15:00,550 --> 02:14:57,119
going to be

3182
02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:00,560
this time time in the future

3183
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:04,480
where we're going to transform

3184
02:15:10,950 --> 02:15:07,599
uh from what we are to something

3185
02:15:13,030 --> 02:15:10,960
better and bigger and i believe that

3186
02:15:13,990 --> 02:15:13,040
that is the event that we are in right

3187
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,000
now i know

3188
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:16,719
that's what terence thought also and

3189
02:15:18,870 --> 02:15:17,040
that

3190
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:18,880
all of these things technology

3191
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:20,400
psychedelics

3192
02:15:24,790 --> 02:15:22,960
uh the ability to communicate uh the

3193
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:24,800
expanding consciousness

3194
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:28,000
and the ever increasing complexity

3195
02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:31,679
would create a different kind of human

3196
02:15:36,629 --> 02:15:33,440
being

3197
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:36,639
than the warrior

3198
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:39,840
uh destroy nature uh kind of human being

3199
02:15:44,390 --> 02:15:41,760
that we've had in the past

3200
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:44,400
and i now believe that i can actually

3201
02:15:48,390 --> 02:15:45,599
see

3202
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:48,400
how that is going to unfold and i

3203
02:15:52,550 --> 02:15:50,159
believe that it's going to start here

3204
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:52,560
soon we're going to face incredible

3205
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:53,840
crisis

3206
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:55,440
over the next few years i'd like to

3207
02:16:01,669 --> 02:15:58,320
point out that

3208
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:01,679
every every 80 years the united states

3209
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:04,719
goes through a very tumultuous change

3210
02:16:08,470 --> 02:16:08,159
um uh a hundred and sixty years ago or

3211
02:16:11,790 --> 02:16:08,480
two

3212
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:11,800
eighty year cycles to go uh it was uh

3213
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:16,239
1860 the civil war started in 1861.

3214
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:18,480
i would point out that one 80-year cycle

3215
02:16:23,990 --> 02:16:20,800
ago was 1940

3216
02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:24,000
and world war ii started in 1941

3217
02:16:27,589 --> 02:16:25,360
and we are now at the beginning of

3218
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:27,599
another 80-year cycle

3219
02:16:32,070 --> 02:16:30,159
uh that has all been pointed out by the

3220
02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:32,080
two historians strauss and howe in their

3221
02:16:35,110 --> 02:16:32,639
book

3222
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:35,120
the fourth turning uh which i i don't

3223
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:36,479
know if terence had a chance to read

3224
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:37,679
that book but i bet

3225
02:16:44,830 --> 02:16:41,040
he would have loved it and um so

3226
02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:44,840
we've had two wars exactly on those

3227
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:47,519
marks and so i pray we don't have a war

3228
02:16:53,110 --> 02:16:48,880
in 2021

3229
02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:53,120
but i'm looking for a um

3230
02:17:00,709 --> 02:16:56,479
a huge amount of sudden

3231
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:00,719
change and disclosure and

3232
02:17:07,750 --> 02:17:03,760
scientific inventions and crazy

3233
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:07,760
creativity to emerge over the next uh

3234
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:10,639
nine years or so and we're going to come

3235
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:12,160
out the other end now

3236
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:14,559
what the establishment watches you know

3237
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:16,000
in 2030 is

3238
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:19,200
that we're all inside the smart cities

3239
02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:22,719
driverless cars um

3240
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:25,200
you know we're all jacked into the

3241
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:25,920
internet

3242
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:29,040
and we can uh access google with a

3243
02:17:33,349 --> 02:17:29,920
thought

3244
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:33,359
and uh we have machine chips inside of

3245
02:17:36,469 --> 02:17:33,679
us

3246
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:36,479
and this is what the technocrats this is

3247
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:37,760
their wet dream

3248
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:39,920
of what they want to have happen here

3249
02:17:43,910 --> 02:17:41,359
and they're pushing very

3250
02:17:46,070 --> 02:17:43,920
much for that they are getting pushed

3251
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:46,080
back from people like elon musk

3252
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:49,679
and others but um they seem like they

3253
02:17:52,790 --> 02:17:50,000
are

3254
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:52,800
determined to push us into that future

3255
02:17:55,669 --> 02:17:53,280
and

3256
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:55,679
so again that's another reason why i'm

3257
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:56,639
trying to

3258
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:00,000
bring terence's philosophy back

3259
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:03,679
of a more natural future a a less

3260
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:04,960
technocratic

3261
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:06,960
future a future where we don't become

3262
02:18:11,270 --> 02:18:08,080
machines

3263
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:11,280
but we become complex

3264
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:14,479
organic entities uh able to

3265
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:18,080
create and intuit uh our future

3266
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:21,439
and uh regain our psychic abilities and

3267
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:23,280
all the things that have atrophied over

3268
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:24,559
the 6

3269
02:18:27,910 --> 02:18:26,960
000 years of sobriety as terence would

3270
02:18:30,750 --> 02:18:27,920
say

3271
02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:30,760
uh where we created this mechanistic

3272
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:32,639
technological world

3273
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:34,000
and now we're going to shed that

3274
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:36,639
technological mechanical we're not

3275
02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:38,399
shedding it we're going to keep it

3276
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:40,240
but and we're going to advance on it but

3277
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:41,519
we're not going to let that

3278
02:18:47,750 --> 02:18:44,639
be the driving force behind

3279
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:47,760
our consciousness we're going to let um

3280
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:50,160
other things that are more important

3281
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:52,160
become part of that consciousness and

3282
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:54,800
maybe possibly we will be in contact

3283
02:19:00,469 --> 02:18:57,120
with interdimensional beings very soon

3284
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,479
here or alien life forms

3285
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:02,880
is about to happen well we've wanted

3286
02:19:08,549 --> 02:19:05,599
that since the dawn of man

3287
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,559
right that is the we there's three

3288
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:10,559
fundamental questions right

3289
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:13,120
how did we get here who are we and are

3290
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:14,160
we alone

3291
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:17,040
right i mean that's that's really it and

3292
02:19:19,429 --> 02:19:17,599
and

3293
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:19,439
check this quote out from terence

3294
02:19:24,950 --> 02:19:21,040
speaking of that

3295
02:19:28,790 --> 02:19:24,960
perfect timing quote right here and now

3296
02:19:31,349 --> 02:19:28,800
one quanta away there is a raging

3297
02:19:33,589 --> 02:19:31,359
universe of active intelligence that is

3298
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:33,599
transhuman hyperdimensional

3299
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,200
and extremely alien what is driving

3300
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:39,040
religious feeling today

3301
02:19:45,830 --> 02:19:42,160
is a wish for contact with this

3302
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:48,710
right on right on and and and you know

3303
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:49,200
what

3304
02:19:52,550 --> 02:19:51,040
let me let me say this jay i want your

3305
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:52,560
comment on this

3306
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:54,240
with everything that we are going

3307
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:56,560
through right now in the media ufos in

3308
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:57,359
the media

3309
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:00,880
television uh documentaries this show

3310
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:04,160
you the productions that you have done

3311
02:20:08,630 --> 02:20:07,920
the uh the question of contact is coming

3312
02:20:10,710 --> 02:20:08,640
at us

3313
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:10,720
uh not only through mass media but it's

3314
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,760
coming at us through

3315
02:20:15,349 --> 02:20:14,240
science and exoplanets and fast radio

3316
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:15,359
bursts and

3317
02:20:19,830 --> 02:20:18,000
and the question of is there life out

3318
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:19,840
there we got the news yesterday about

3319
02:20:25,270 --> 02:20:21,200
venus right it is

3320
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:25,280
every day now it is front and center

3321
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:28,399
for pop culture this is exactly what

3322
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:30,000
terence is talking about here

3323
02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:33,040
right we are going through this we want

3324
02:20:37,429 --> 02:20:34,240
this contact

3325
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:37,439
don't we we do

3326
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:40,720
and again you can

3327
02:20:46,950 --> 02:20:44,080
have that contact uh you know with

3328
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:46,960
these uh extra dimensional beings um

3329
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:48,080
i've had the

3330
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:50,000
contact with them and i know terence de

3331
02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:51,280
tune you probably

3332
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:55,120
have also um it's it's the the problem

3333
02:21:00,550 --> 02:20:56,479
isn't the

3334
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:00,560
contact the problem is the context

3335
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:03,040
so we can have a contact i can have a

3336
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:03,840
contact

3337
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:05,920
with an extra dimensional being and then

3338
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:07,920
call you up and you know blab endlessly

3339
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:09,600
about what i was told

3340
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:12,479
but you listening will not have any

3341
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:13,600
context

3342
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:16,720
for what i'm saying and so it's kind of

3343
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:17,520
useless

3344
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:21,120
and so what we need to have is

3345
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:25,359
a a a a more like more like a phone call

3346
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:28,240
than a dream a psychedelic state or a

3347
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:30,319
mystical state is more like a dream

3348
02:21:33,429 --> 02:21:32,800
and what we really yearn for is a phone

3349
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:33,439
call

3350
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:36,080
a real true communication and i think

3351
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:38,080
actually we're on the edge of it

3352
02:21:41,349 --> 02:21:40,479
if it hasn't already happened which it

3353
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:41,359
may have

3354
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:43,359
they're acting as if it's already

3355
02:21:47,510 --> 02:21:45,359
happened and that they're just

3356
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:47,520
waiting to tell us in some way should

3357
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:49,600
everybody on this planet jay

3358
02:21:56,870 --> 02:21:54,000
and i i mean everybody should everybody

3359
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:56,880
have an ayahuasca ceremony seven and a

3360
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:57,280
half

3361
02:22:04,790 --> 02:22:03,190
uh no i don't think so i think there's a

3362
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:04,800
lot of people

3363
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:05,920
they would literally go out of their

3364
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:08,479
minds and never recover

3365
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:11,520
um i think only the brave and the happy

3366
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:14,560
uh can uh endure such a thing but then

3367
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:15,280
again

3368
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:17,840
only the brave and happy can you know

3369
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:19,600
travel the world and

3370
02:22:26,870 --> 02:22:23,600
and uh be be okay with it so

3371
02:22:30,950 --> 02:22:26,880
right now we see that the world is um

3372
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:30,960
being bifurcated into the terrified

3373
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:33,359
and the non-terrified and you know the

3374
02:22:35,990 --> 02:22:34,479
terrified are

3375
02:22:37,990 --> 02:22:36,000
don't want to come out of their homes

3376
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:38,000
and they want to put all sorts of

3377
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:39,120
protection

3378
02:22:44,309 --> 02:22:41,200
gear on him and that's fine go for it i

3379
02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:44,319
have nothing no problem with that

3380
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:46,479
i'm not particularly going to do that

3381
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:48,319
i'm not particularly

3382
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:51,120
terrified of what's going on uh and i

3383
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:51,920
think that

3384
02:22:56,550 --> 02:22:54,399
the world is dividing and terence would

3385
02:22:59,510 --> 02:22:56,560
really agree with this statement i think

3386
02:23:00,550 --> 02:22:59,520
the world is being divided in to the

3387
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:00,560
courageous

3388
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:03,680
would say

3389
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:06,560
nature loves the courageous and it

3390
02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:07,200
removes

3391
02:23:10,469 --> 02:23:09,840
barriers to the courageous and i can

3392
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:10,479
speak

3393
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:13,680
and testify that that is absolutely true

3394
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:16,000
but i have gotten over my fears

3395
02:23:19,429 --> 02:23:16,800
personally

3396
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:19,439
and done something that uh was

3397
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:21,280
incredibly courageous

3398
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:24,240
i have discovered that nature reacts to

3399
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:24,720
it by

3400
02:23:28,870 --> 02:23:27,680
granting me favors and i think parents

3401
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:28,880
knew that too

3402
02:23:32,150 --> 02:23:30,399
and i think that's what happens with

3403
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:32,160
courageous people is

3404
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:34,720
they do a courageous act and then they

3405
02:23:40,389 --> 02:23:38,640
realize that they've been granted favors

3406
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:40,399
and that encourages them to make more

3407
02:23:44,469 --> 02:23:41,760
courageous acts

3408
02:23:46,070 --> 02:23:44,479
and then pretty soon it's only the

3409
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:46,080
courageous people that are actually

3410
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:48,000
doing anything and that's where we are

3411
02:23:51,590 --> 02:23:49,120
right now

3412
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:51,600
and uh they have scared the living

3413
02:23:56,469 --> 02:23:53,520
daylights out of everybody

3414
02:23:58,150 --> 02:23:56,479
and uh right now the people that are

3415
02:24:00,790 --> 02:23:58,160
emerging to lead this world

3416
02:24:01,910 --> 02:24:00,800
into the next world are going to be the

3417
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:01,920
courageous

3418
02:24:08,309 --> 02:24:05,760
i can't say who so respect me for that

3419
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:08,319
for saying this i can't say who uh but

3420
02:24:12,870 --> 02:24:09,280
last month i'm

3421
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:12,880
speaking with uh a pretty big time

3422
02:24:17,349 --> 02:24:14,560
hollywood director

3423
02:24:18,150 --> 02:24:17,359
okay put that in the back of your mind

3424
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:18,160
and

3425
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:21,760
he said to me that

3426
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:25,680
last year he had an ayahuasca ceremony

3427
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:29,040
one time i said oh really

3428
02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:31,040
tell me about it and he said it scared

3429
02:24:35,510 --> 02:24:32,640
the crap out of me

3430
02:24:38,150 --> 02:24:35,520
i said why and he goes well i said did

3431
02:24:42,950 --> 02:24:38,160
you see the beings he go see the beings

3432
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:42,960
man i walked around in this world

3433
02:24:48,550 --> 02:24:46,800
i made contact with aliens

3434
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:48,560
and it scared the crap out of me i said

3435
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:50,240
why because it's not what they said or

3436
02:24:55,590 --> 02:24:52,160
anything it's not about that

3437
02:24:57,429 --> 02:24:55,600
it's that it was real

3438
02:25:00,550 --> 02:24:57,439
i said what do you mean he said it was

3439
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:00,560
real there's no question about it i went

3440
02:25:07,190 --> 02:25:04,080
and visited a parallel world it exists

3441
02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:07,200
i made contact with aliens and i

3442
02:25:11,349 --> 02:25:10,240
spoke to them i said did you remember he

3443
02:25:13,750 --> 02:25:11,359
goes man

3444
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:13,760
i remember everything oh it wasn't

3445
02:25:20,150 --> 02:25:16,240
ayahuasca i'm sorry it was dmt

3446
02:25:23,590 --> 02:25:20,160
and uh anyway i said did you

3447
02:25:26,630 --> 02:25:23,600
i remember everything it was real man

3448
02:25:29,190 --> 02:25:26,640
and it scared me it exist

3449
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:29,200
and it stopped me in my tracks jay this

3450
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:31,760
is somebody that i respect a lot

3451
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:34,800
that was um absolutely

3452
02:25:38,150 --> 02:25:37,200
be careful what you wish for right you

3453
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:38,160
want the experience

3454
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:40,640
you want and then you find out that what

3455
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:42,960
everybody else is talking about there

3456
02:25:46,950 --> 02:25:45,600
out there is is real that there is a

3457
02:25:50,389 --> 02:25:46,960
parallel dimension

3458
02:25:53,349 --> 02:25:50,399
to this world that you can go and visit

3459
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:53,359
and according to this gentleman and

3460
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:55,439
others but according to him directly

3461
02:25:59,750 --> 02:25:58,640
it's as physical as anything else and it

3462
02:26:02,950 --> 02:25:59,760
stopped me in my tracks

3463
02:26:04,469 --> 02:26:02,960
and and terence said uh and we'll leave

3464
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:04,479
on this note

3465
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:06,240
uh terence said i don't have the quote

3466
02:26:11,429 --> 02:26:07,600
in front of me but

3467
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:11,439
he said that the alien contact

3468
02:26:16,309 --> 02:26:13,040
experience

3469
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:16,319
uh with ayahuasca and dmt

3470
02:26:21,510 --> 02:26:19,359
is identical nearly identi

3471
02:26:22,550 --> 02:26:21,520
a nearly identical picture that you can

3472
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:22,560
paint with

3473
02:26:28,950 --> 02:26:26,080
everybody that has had the experience

3474
02:26:30,150 --> 02:26:28,960
the phenomenon is real and that's coming

3475
02:26:36,550 --> 02:26:30,160
from terrence that

3476
02:26:39,510 --> 02:26:37,910
uh i would totally agree with that i

3477
02:26:40,309 --> 02:26:39,520
know graham hancock would agree with

3478
02:26:44,870 --> 02:26:40,319
that

3479
02:26:46,950 --> 02:26:44,880
and it really um changes the way

3480
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:46,960
that you look at the universe and you

3481
02:26:49,830 --> 02:26:48,960
don't see it as spaceships going through

3482
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:49,840
space

3483
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:52,399
you see it as intermingling of

3484
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:54,160
dimensions in space

3485
02:27:00,150 --> 02:26:57,760
with beings from both sides sometimes

3486
02:27:04,630 --> 02:27:00,160
able to communicate with each other

3487
02:27:07,190 --> 02:27:04,640
and both sides of this parallel universe

3488
02:27:07,910 --> 02:27:07,200
both yearn to communicate with the other

3489
02:27:10,150 --> 02:27:07,920
side

3490
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:10,160
it's one of the biggest things about it

3491
02:27:14,030 --> 02:27:12,479
and and when we ignore

3492
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:14,040
these other beings they're really

3493
02:27:19,110 --> 02:27:16,000
disappointed in us

3494
02:27:20,630 --> 02:27:19,120
and when um and the same thing is true

3495
02:27:23,110 --> 02:27:20,640
when they ignore us

3496
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:23,120
and so what we want to do is uh

3497
02:27:26,790 --> 02:27:24,160
encourage this

3498
02:27:28,230 --> 02:27:26,800
interaction between these dimensions so

3499
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:28,240
that we can communicate

3500
02:27:32,630 --> 02:27:31,200
and get real knowledge remember uh

3501
02:27:34,550 --> 02:27:32,640
francis crick who uh

3502
02:27:37,349 --> 02:27:34,560
invented who discovered the shape of the

3503
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:37,359
dna discovered that in a dream

3504
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:39,760
it wasn't something that he did as a

3505
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:41,840
physical experiment it came to him as a

3506
02:27:45,590 --> 02:27:42,720
dream

3507
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:45,600
so the knowledge comes to us true

3508
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:47,040
knowledge can come to us

3509
02:27:51,349 --> 02:27:49,760
in ways that are completely unexpected

3510
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:51,359
what's next for you jay what are you

3511
02:27:58,710 --> 02:27:56,950
um i'm thinking about doing a kind of a

3512
02:28:02,150 --> 02:27:58,720
mind-blowing short film

3513
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:02,160
about uh about mysticism

3514
02:28:06,309 --> 02:28:05,520
and the plasma universe and where we are

3515
02:28:09,750 --> 02:28:06,319
headed

3516
02:28:11,270 --> 02:28:09,760
as a species and how far along in

3517
02:28:14,150 --> 02:28:11,280
development is this is it

3518
02:28:15,670 --> 02:28:14,160
is it an idea or are you ready to pull

3519
02:28:18,550 --> 02:28:15,680
the trigger

3520
02:28:20,150 --> 02:28:18,560
i'm writing the script right now uh yeah

3521
02:28:22,469 --> 02:28:20,160
i've got the money to do it

3522
02:28:23,910 --> 02:28:22,479
i've got the equipment to do it i've got

3523
02:28:25,670 --> 02:28:23,920
the skill to do it

3524
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:25,680
uh it's just i want to make sure i do it

3525
02:28:30,950 --> 02:28:27,200
right because

3526
02:28:34,070 --> 02:28:30,960
you know at this stage um

3527
02:28:36,230 --> 02:28:34,080
art is also going to be transformed very

3528
02:28:39,110 --> 02:28:36,240
quickly here by technology

3529
02:28:40,790 --> 02:28:39,120
so we all also have to be aware of that

3530
02:28:41,990 --> 02:28:40,800
that may be what your director friend is

3531
02:28:44,309 --> 02:28:42,000
afraid of too

3532
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:44,319
may have seen that he may not have a job

3533
02:28:48,070 --> 02:28:46,399
in a few years because a.i will be

3534
02:28:50,309 --> 02:28:48,080
making movies

3535
02:28:51,750 --> 02:28:50,319
thank you so much man it's great to have

3536
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:51,760
you back on the show

3537
02:28:56,070 --> 02:28:54,560
and uh i miss our conversations jay and

3538
02:28:59,910 --> 02:28:56,080
be safe and be well

3539
02:29:03,349 --> 02:28:59,920
and all my best to sharon you too

3540
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:03,359
the best the best jay widener

3541
02:29:08,830 --> 02:29:06,399
now for everybody it's very simple just

3542
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:08,840
go to

3543
02:29:12,070 --> 02:29:11,200
sacredmysteries.com all of jay's movies

3544
02:29:14,070 --> 02:29:12,080
are there

3545
02:29:16,389 --> 02:29:14,080
everything that he is constantly working

3546
02:29:18,190 --> 02:29:16,399
on all of sharon's work is there too as

3547
02:29:19,910 --> 02:29:18,200
well

3548
02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:19,920
sacredmysteries.com with that i'm going

3549
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:21,359
to take a quick break

3550
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:23,040
and i've been watching the phones ring

3551
02:29:25,349 --> 02:29:24,560
off the hook all through the show

3552
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:25,359
tonight

3553
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:36,800
the life and times of terence mckenna

3554
02:29:41,830 --> 02:29:37,680
thank you jay

3555
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great conversation 747-228-2051 i'll be

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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

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02:33:46,630 --> 02:33:34,020
this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

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[Music]

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02:33:50,630 --> 02:33:48,560
all right welcome back fade to black i

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02:33:52,230 --> 02:33:50,640
am your host jimmy church

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02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:52,240
i want to thank jay widener great

3642
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:54,319
conversation tonight

3643
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:56,160
the life and times of terence mckenna i

3644
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:58,080
cannot imagine

3645
02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:00,640
what it would be like to sit down and

3646
02:34:05,270 --> 02:34:02,560
have a conversation with terence

3647
02:34:06,550 --> 02:34:05,280
and wow what a guest he would make for

3648
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:06,560
the show

3649
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:09,600
um his his outlook

3650
02:34:13,670 --> 02:34:12,560
and i encourage anybody and everybody to

3651
02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:13,680
go

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02:34:19,429 --> 02:34:16,800
and and watch some of his conferences

3653
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:19,439
uh listen to uh his recordings his

3654
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:21,120
interviews that he has done over the

3655
02:34:25,910 --> 02:34:22,000
years

3656
02:34:28,710 --> 02:34:25,920
um just extraordinary and when i

3657
02:34:29,830 --> 02:34:28,720
uh started to pick up on terence he was

3658
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:29,840
still alive

3659
02:34:36,389 --> 02:34:33,680
then and i was able to uh

3660
02:34:38,230 --> 02:34:36,399
see and read things from him uh when

3661
02:34:41,510 --> 02:34:38,240
they were still current

3662
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:41,520
and i just i i have never

3663
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:43,520
look i just want to be clear here i've

3664
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:44,640
said this enough

3665
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:48,560
i have never done an ayahuasca ceremony

3666
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:51,920
i have not gone down the dmt

3667
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:55,200
road the opportunities have been there

3668
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:58,399
and one day right right right situation

3669
02:35:01,750 --> 02:35:01,120
the right moment uh i've got to go and

3670
02:35:05,429 --> 02:35:01,760
check it out

3671
02:35:06,870 --> 02:35:05,439
at least once and uh and and see

3672
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:06,880
see what's going on there i would like

3673
02:35:13,349 --> 02:35:09,600
to be able to comment on it firsthand

3674
02:35:15,429 --> 02:35:13,359
um but that being said um i am

3675
02:35:17,110 --> 02:35:15,439
uh looking at mark toronto posted a

3676
02:35:19,349 --> 02:35:17,120
great question here

3677
02:35:20,309 --> 02:35:19,359
uh yes he he can do that from time to

3678
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:20,319
time

3679
02:35:24,309 --> 02:35:22,560
but he says is human spiritual

3680
02:35:26,230 --> 02:35:24,319
consciousness being suppressed by

3681
02:35:29,590 --> 02:35:26,240
today's society

3682
02:35:33,110 --> 02:35:29,600
and i would say yes and no

3683
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:33,120
i would say yes and no i think the quest

3684
02:35:39,590 --> 02:35:36,880
for what consciousness is is

3685
02:35:40,150 --> 02:35:39,600
uh out there stronger than ever before

3686
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:40,160
because

3687
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:43,520
we we know now that it is one of the

3688
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:46,240
great unknowns

3689
02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:48,240
physicists don't have a clue science

3690
02:35:52,630 --> 02:35:49,600
doesn't have a clue

3691
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:52,640
the spiritual community uh which has

3692
02:35:57,429 --> 02:35:55,520
been out there on this uh quest for what

3693
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:57,439
consciousness is

3694
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:59,680
um i think it it's right there

3695
02:36:03,110 --> 02:36:01,280
technology today

3696
02:36:04,790 --> 02:36:03,120
and i've been talking about this a lot

3697
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:04,800
lately um

3698
02:36:12,389 --> 02:36:08,479
technology today is starting to

3699
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:12,399
i think suppress is the right word where

3700
02:36:18,389 --> 02:36:16,399
the answers for uh the generation that

3701
02:36:20,630 --> 02:36:18,399
is below us right now the younger

3702
02:36:24,309 --> 02:36:20,640
generations

3703
02:36:26,550 --> 02:36:24,319
the the world for them

3704
02:36:28,309 --> 02:36:26,560
is the internet and that's where they

3705
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:28,319
get all of their answers that's where

3706
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:30,479
their relationships are built

3707
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:33,280
uh it's not only their entertainment but

3708
02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:33,920
it is

3709
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:40,399
the world for them as it exists today

3710
02:36:43,830 --> 02:36:42,240
is on the internet what does that do

3711
02:36:47,750 --> 02:36:43,840
with consciousness

3712
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:47,760
i i don't know and is there a quest

3713
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:50,399
uh for spirituality and consciousness

3714
02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:51,760
and what it is

3715
02:36:58,309 --> 02:36:55,280
in these uh young

3716
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:58,319
people of today that are living their

3717
02:37:01,750 --> 02:36:59,359
life on the internet

3718
02:37:02,830 --> 02:37:01,760
i don't know and only time's gonna tell

3719
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:02,840
um

3720
02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:06,240
74722 if you're on hold i'll get to you

3721
02:37:10,309 --> 02:37:07,680
in just a second

3722
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:10,319
but that is one of the points that uh

3723
02:37:13,830 --> 02:37:12,319
jay has been bringing up not only on

3724
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:13,840
this program today but

3725
02:37:20,710 --> 02:37:17,200
but in social media about what these

3726
02:37:23,429 --> 02:37:20,720
next 10 years are going to be

3727
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:23,439
we have to understand that we have

3728
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:24,960
created this world

3729
02:37:28,550 --> 02:37:27,280
for our children today and i'm talking

3730
02:37:30,630 --> 02:37:28,560
about the world of

3731
02:37:32,070 --> 02:37:30,640
social media and the internet the

3732
02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:32,080
digital age the internet

3733
02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:35,200
age and the consequences of that we

3734
02:37:39,030 --> 02:37:36,479
don't know yet

3735
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:39,040
and certainly we didn't know in 1995

3736
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:40,960
when all of this started to kick off

3737
02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:44,080
and and go crazy and

3738
02:37:47,590 --> 02:37:46,720
what it is developed into i don't know

3739
02:37:50,630 --> 02:37:47,600
and

3740
02:37:51,830 --> 02:37:50,640
uh today with something like uh kim

3741
02:37:53,670 --> 02:37:51,840
kardashian

3742
02:37:55,830 --> 02:37:53,680
to make these statements especially on

3743
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:55,840
the heels of

3744
02:37:59,030 --> 02:37:57,520
what i've been talking about for the

3745
02:38:01,349 --> 02:37:59,040
last five years

3746
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:01,359
and certainly bringing forward over the

3747
02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:02,640
last couple of weeks and

3748
02:38:09,270 --> 02:38:06,000
and this week is that i'm alarmed

3749
02:38:13,590 --> 02:38:09,280
i'm alarmed and i'm not comfortable with

3750
02:38:15,990 --> 02:38:13,600
the direction of the mind

3751
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:16,000
it it's being controlled and this is not

3752
02:38:20,630 --> 02:38:17,280
a 1984

3753
02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:20,640
george orwellian although it is

3754
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:23,200
a scenario i'm not bringing that up i'm

3755
02:38:28,309 --> 02:38:24,880
talking about the reality

3756
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:28,319
of today this is not

3757
02:38:32,790 --> 02:38:32,080
conspiracy theory crazy talk tinfoil hat

3758
02:38:35,990 --> 02:38:32,800
stuff

3759
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:36,000
we are going through this right now as a

3760
02:38:40,950 --> 02:38:37,920
society as a country and

3761
02:38:43,110 --> 02:38:40,960
as a world so what do we do

3762
02:38:44,230 --> 02:38:43,120
is there the ability to put the car in

3763
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:44,240
reverse

3764
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:47,040
and and try to fix things have we gone

3765
02:38:51,030 --> 02:38:48,000
too far

3766
02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:51,040
do we now have to allow it to just play

3767
02:38:55,750 --> 02:38:51,840
out

3768
02:38:58,630 --> 02:38:55,760
and see what happens can we expect uh

3769
02:39:00,070 --> 02:38:58,640
facebook and google and twitter and

3770
02:39:02,870 --> 02:39:00,080
instagram

3771
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:02,880
uh and these other social media internet

3772
02:39:07,110 --> 02:39:04,000
companies to accept

3773
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,120
responsibility and to fix things

3774
02:39:13,590 --> 02:39:10,399
is that a possibility i don't

3775
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:13,600
i don't know if they care and they and

3776
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:14,000
and

3777
02:39:17,030 --> 02:39:16,080
all of the news organizations out there

3778
02:39:20,309 --> 02:39:17,040
that are

3779
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:20,319
uh working with the social media

3780
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:20,880
companies

3781
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:24,000
in lockstep you know they know they see

3782
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:26,800
what's going on they push the boundaries

3783
02:39:32,710 --> 02:39:29,600
especially over the last five years they

3784
02:39:34,550 --> 02:39:32,720
really pushed the boundaries now it's

3785
02:39:36,790 --> 02:39:34,560
blowing up

3786
02:39:37,990 --> 02:39:36,800
i don't know what the end game is i

3787
02:39:39,590 --> 02:39:38,000
don't so

3788
02:39:41,190 --> 02:39:39,600
with that i want to thank jay great

3789
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:41,200
conversation let's go to the phones hi

3790
02:39:44,389 --> 02:39:42,560
you're live on fade to black who's

3791
02:39:47,750 --> 02:39:44,399
calling

3792
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:47,760
hey jimmy with top jokes uh stan allen

3793
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:50,960
hi how are you joe

3794
02:39:57,270 --> 02:39:54,000
you know i could not have

3795
02:39:59,910 --> 02:39:57,280
put on your show on a better night

3796
02:40:01,830 --> 02:39:59,920
because that nice people like that if

3797
02:40:04,389 --> 02:40:01,840
you missed it dude

3798
02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:04,399
you guys were just trying to get called

3799
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,479
up for tata on your show for example

3800
02:40:09,270 --> 02:40:08,399
he's like have a dude as well by his

3801
02:40:12,870 --> 02:40:09,280
interviews i

3802
02:40:14,550 --> 02:40:12,880
heard about this sign i said to suggest

3803
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:14,560
you're not telling me what to do this is

3804
02:40:19,830 --> 02:40:16,399
your thing

3805
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:19,840
i'm down with the jimmy i'm totally down

3806
02:40:23,830 --> 02:40:20,720
with it

3807
02:40:26,790 --> 02:40:23,840
well and well

3808
02:40:28,070 --> 02:40:26,800
but you've lived through it too you know

3809
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:28,080
and

3810
02:40:31,110 --> 02:40:30,319
you're at an age where you remember the

3811
02:40:34,230 --> 02:40:31,120
before

3812
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:34,240
and and the after so now you are able to

3813
02:40:38,550 --> 02:40:36,479
see both sides

3814
02:40:39,990 --> 02:40:38,560
it's like one time i i like this place

3815
02:40:42,070 --> 02:40:40,000
not following me right

3816
02:40:43,590 --> 02:40:42,080
and like we used to say oh god don't go

3817
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:43,600
out with your friends for savings for

3818
02:40:46,550 --> 02:40:45,040
the tech that you've so dependent on

3819
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:46,560
over the last eight years right

3820
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:49,760
right baby right you have fun i said you

3821
02:40:54,550 --> 02:40:51,680
know i went out and said screw it

3822
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:54,560
when i was a kid 18 i went out to the

3823
02:40:58,710 --> 02:40:55,920
city for the night

3824
02:40:59,910 --> 02:40:58,720
alone on the subway tried to meet a few

3825
02:41:02,309 --> 02:40:59,920
young ladies

3826
02:41:02,950 --> 02:41:02,319
cats have a good amount of drinks that i

3827
02:41:04,630 --> 02:41:02,960
wanted

3828
02:41:07,510 --> 02:41:04,640
and made it home on the subway by the

3829
02:41:11,030 --> 02:41:07,520
way without a spot for him

3830
02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:14,150
yeah you know you misplaced things and

3831
02:41:17,110 --> 02:41:15,359
but one thing i could say about the

3832
02:41:18,309 --> 02:41:17,120
effects you might say they simply saw

3833
02:41:21,510 --> 02:41:18,319
this

3834
02:41:23,750 --> 02:41:21,520
as in my case and after many others

3835
02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:23,760
now we shift that we are shifting so

3836
02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:24,880
much

3837
02:41:28,389 --> 02:41:26,560
so that we become fascinated by

3838
02:41:29,670 --> 02:41:28,399
something like neutrons like the kid in

3839
02:41:31,269 --> 02:41:29,680
the toy store

3840
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:31,279
and i want this to lock that you don't

3841
02:41:34,550 --> 02:41:33,120
know what you want there's sometimes

3842
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:34,560
you're moving so fast you want to be

3843
02:41:39,349 --> 02:41:36,160
into so many things

3844
02:41:42,630 --> 02:41:39,359
but i actually put things down that i

3845
02:41:45,269 --> 02:41:42,640
know are in my house right okay

3846
02:41:46,870 --> 02:41:45,279
follow this and i put it down and and it

3847
02:41:48,870 --> 02:41:46,880
doesn't even hide it

3848
02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:48,880
and i can't even find it but i know it

3849
02:41:52,550 --> 02:41:50,960
looks right in front of somebody but

3850
02:41:54,790 --> 02:41:52,560
you know they're gonna just like pop up

3851
02:41:57,750 --> 02:41:54,800
whatever it's expected

3852
02:41:59,990 --> 02:41:57,760
i'm saying the idea of like memory right

3853
02:42:02,389 --> 02:42:00,000
and being distracted

3854
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:02,399
and you're feeling like you know as fast

3855
02:42:08,230 --> 02:42:05,439
it's like it looks like a dream

3856
02:42:09,349 --> 02:42:08,240
but that's exactly my point joe that's

3857
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:09,359
exactly my point

3858
02:42:13,670 --> 02:42:11,600
and how do we get back off of that i

3859
02:42:14,790 --> 02:42:13,680
think that's the question oh man a lot

3860
02:42:16,630 --> 02:42:14,800
of noise there

3861
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:16,640
joe i want to thank you for the phone

3862
02:42:21,830 --> 02:42:18,720
call and that

3863
02:42:24,830 --> 02:42:21,840
let me say one thing sure one thing

3864
02:42:26,950 --> 02:42:24,840
blood purification and liver

3865
02:42:27,830 --> 02:42:26,960
purification look there's some red

3866
02:42:30,550 --> 02:42:27,840
clover

3867
02:42:32,070 --> 02:42:30,560
you're going to get your organs in shape

3868
02:42:35,190 --> 02:42:32,080
as well as your blood

3869
02:42:37,190 --> 02:42:35,200
and how and cleanse the toxicities

3870
02:42:39,030 --> 02:42:37,200
they get the metal out of your head to

3871
02:42:40,309 --> 02:42:39,040
i'll suggest they face cilantro it's

3872
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:40,319
good for that too

3873
02:42:44,550 --> 02:42:42,880
you put all the houses in the crap and

3874
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:44,560
you clean your system

3875
02:42:48,309 --> 02:42:47,040
and you be you'll be surprised how good

3876
02:42:50,150 --> 02:42:48,319
you start to feel

3877
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:50,160
and how your mind starts to get some

3878
02:42:53,349 --> 02:42:52,319
clarity that this is judging i've been

3879
02:42:55,269 --> 02:42:53,359
doing in a long time

3880
02:42:56,950 --> 02:42:55,279
there you go joe thank you for the phone

3881
02:42:59,670 --> 02:42:56,960
call i can't i can't

3882
02:43:01,030 --> 02:42:59,680
i gotta agree with that man clean out

3883
02:43:05,269 --> 02:43:01,040
your system

3884
02:43:08,469 --> 02:43:05,279
it out get back to

3885
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:08,479
zero i've done it a few times now

3886
02:43:15,030 --> 02:43:11,520
and uh it's uh the only way to go

3887
02:43:16,550 --> 02:43:15,040
um i wanted to uh to say this before i

3888
02:43:18,469 --> 02:43:16,560
get back to the phone calls

3889
02:43:19,670 --> 02:43:18,479
i don't want to sound like some oh i

3890
02:43:23,910 --> 02:43:19,680
don't want to sound

3891
02:43:25,030 --> 02:43:23,920
like my grandparents i just don't want

3892
02:43:28,790 --> 02:43:25,040
to do that

3893
02:43:35,349 --> 02:43:31,830
we the the things that

3894
02:43:40,710 --> 02:43:35,359
i did daily

3895
02:43:43,670 --> 02:43:40,720
all the way through to 1995

3896
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:43,680
right when the internet came along and

3897
02:43:48,870 --> 02:43:45,680
changed things for all of us

3898
02:43:51,349 --> 02:43:48,880
but every day was a quest

3899
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:51,359
for an adventure whether it was going to

3900
02:43:54,389 --> 02:43:52,160
the movies

3901
02:43:56,309 --> 02:43:54,399
uh going out to dinner as an adult

3902
02:43:56,950 --> 02:43:56,319
hanging out with friends going to a club

3903
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:56,960
going to see

3904
02:44:00,469 --> 02:43:59,520
music going out out everything was

3905
02:44:03,349 --> 02:44:00,479
outside of the house

3906
02:44:05,030 --> 02:44:03,359
out out out out yeah stayed home and

3907
02:44:05,910 --> 02:44:05,040
watched movies once in a while i had a

3908
02:44:09,190 --> 02:44:05,920
great

3909
02:44:12,790 --> 02:44:09,200
video tape collection and later dvds but

3910
02:44:15,269 --> 02:44:12,800
and there was something to that for sure

3911
02:44:17,750 --> 02:44:15,279
but it was always going out every day

3912
02:44:19,590 --> 02:44:17,760
was making

3913
02:44:21,349 --> 02:44:19,600
you know i'm 10 years old i'm making

3914
02:44:24,230 --> 02:44:21,359
plans for the day

3915
02:44:24,870 --> 02:44:24,240
right the things that i did with my

3916
02:44:28,710 --> 02:44:24,880
friends

3917
02:44:31,990 --> 02:44:28,720
going out and doing things

3918
02:44:35,750 --> 02:44:32,000
that's gone that's that's over

3919
02:44:37,110 --> 02:44:35,760
that's in the past it's in the past

3920
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:37,120
let's go back to the phones hi you're

3921
02:44:41,750 --> 02:44:39,600
live on fade to black who's calling

3922
02:44:43,670 --> 02:44:41,760
this is lafayette from court of militia

3923
02:44:44,469 --> 02:44:43,680
california how are you lafayette

3924
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:44,479
everything good

3925
02:44:50,309 --> 02:44:48,319
how you doing jimmy i am fantastic

3926
02:44:51,830 --> 02:44:50,319
how are you so uh what's on your mind

3927
02:44:54,630 --> 02:44:51,840
you're doing good

3928
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:54,640
well it's like the uh marshall mcglinn

3929
02:44:59,349 --> 02:44:56,800
said earlier the medium is the massage

3930
02:45:00,070 --> 02:44:59,359
is the message and i came across

3931
02:45:02,870 --> 02:45:00,080
evidence that

3932
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:02,880
osley who used to make the lsd back in

3933
02:45:09,190 --> 02:45:03,359
the

3934
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:09,200
i guess you could call it a channel

3935
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:11,439
division about a giant storm

3936
02:45:16,230 --> 02:45:14,880
at the arctic that would change hot to

3937
02:45:17,510 --> 02:45:16,240
cold and it's

3938
02:45:20,309 --> 02:45:17,520
similar to what i was working with the

3939
02:45:23,590 --> 02:45:20,319
go donkey teppy disaster

3940
02:45:27,190 --> 02:45:23,600
arctic methane storm and

3941
02:45:31,349 --> 02:45:27,200
also i noticed that randall carlson

3942
02:45:34,150 --> 02:45:31,359
also had his vision of the great uh uh

3943
02:45:35,990 --> 02:45:34,160
deluge while tripping looking at the

3944
02:45:39,110 --> 02:45:36,000
minnesota river and the dates

3945
02:45:43,110 --> 02:45:39,120
one was in uh the summer of 69 for

3946
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:43,120
randall and osley's was a

3947
02:45:48,630 --> 02:45:46,240
two and there is a midpoint between

3948
02:45:50,309 --> 02:45:48,640
neptune and one of the outer planets and

3949
02:45:53,429 --> 02:45:50,319
the midpoint centers on

3950
02:45:54,309 --> 02:45:53,439
proxima b centauri so apparently those

3951
02:45:57,110 --> 02:45:54,319
aliens there

3952
02:45:59,030 --> 02:45:57,120
are taken psychedelic seaweed or

3953
02:46:03,590 --> 02:45:59,040
something

3954
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:03,600
and and and and what's your point though

3955
02:46:08,389 --> 02:46:05,600
are you suggesting are you suggesting

3956
02:46:09,910 --> 02:46:08,399
that's where we are now

3957
02:46:11,670 --> 02:46:09,920
well they're trying to communicate with

3958
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:11,680
us telepathically and they're choosing

3959
02:46:14,150 --> 02:46:12,080
their

3960
02:46:15,910 --> 02:46:14,160
the people they're picking are people

3961
02:46:17,750 --> 02:46:15,920
who are tripping

3962
02:46:19,110 --> 02:46:17,760
so uh you know they're probably saying

3963
02:46:22,150 --> 02:46:19,120
that that's kind of the direction

3964
02:46:23,030 --> 02:46:22,160
we should take and as you know that's my

3965
02:46:25,510 --> 02:46:23,040
view that the

3966
02:46:26,710 --> 02:46:25,520
that's our way to defeat the mechanical

3967
02:46:29,830 --> 02:46:26,720
aliens

3968
02:46:31,750 --> 02:46:29,840
if the abductees get high on mushrooms

3969
02:46:33,590 --> 02:46:31,760
in a synchronized fashion even say maybe

3970
02:46:35,510 --> 02:46:33,600
the first friday of the month

3971
02:46:38,309 --> 02:46:35,520
as a way to protect ourselves from

3972
02:46:40,710 --> 02:46:38,319
telepathic mind manipulation

3973
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:40,720
okay i'm trying to stay with you this is

3974
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:41,760
way

3975
02:46:48,309 --> 02:46:45,120
beyond where i am right now

3976
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:48,319
that's what i'm here for way

3977
02:46:54,309 --> 02:46:51,359
beyond but um uh

3978
02:46:55,830 --> 02:46:54,319
this is this is what i find so

3979
02:46:57,990 --> 02:46:55,840
fascinating and lafayette

3980
02:47:00,469 --> 02:46:58,000
again thank you for the wonderful phone

3981
02:47:04,150 --> 02:47:00,479
call but this is where i am right now

3982
02:47:07,830 --> 02:47:04,160
when i i remember uh

3983
02:47:11,670 --> 02:47:07,840
it was probably two years ago i went

3984
02:47:14,870 --> 02:47:11,680
on an entropy rant

3985
02:47:18,070 --> 02:47:14,880
about technology

3986
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:18,080
and my entry in my entropy rant was

3987
02:47:21,670 --> 02:47:18,960
about

3988
02:47:23,670 --> 02:47:21,680
the complexity of the computer systems

3989
02:47:25,190 --> 02:47:23,680
on wall street the computer systems of

3990
02:47:27,990 --> 02:47:25,200
the banking system

3991
02:47:28,950 --> 02:47:28,000
the the satellite networks that are

3992
02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:28,960
running

3993
02:47:34,550 --> 02:47:32,560
uh directv and the internet and the

3994
02:47:38,389 --> 02:47:34,560
complexity of the internet

3995
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:38,399
and that nobody nobody now there isn't

3996
02:47:44,950 --> 02:47:41,760
one central point where anybody

3997
02:47:46,950 --> 02:47:44,960
understands wall street

3998
02:47:49,510 --> 02:47:46,960
and the computers that are doing the

3999
02:47:52,630 --> 02:47:49,520
predictive stock trading

4000
02:47:54,550 --> 02:47:52,640
where where it used to be stock traders

4001
02:47:56,630 --> 02:47:54,560
were down on the floor with little slips

4002
02:47:58,710 --> 02:47:56,640
of paper they put their trades in

4003
02:48:00,309 --> 02:47:58,720
the certain amount of control there as

4004
02:48:02,150 --> 02:48:00,319
crazy as it was

4005
02:48:05,190 --> 02:48:02,160
everybody thousands of people on the

4006
02:48:08,309 --> 02:48:05,200
floor of the new york stock exchange

4007
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:08,319
um and what was going on there

4008
02:48:15,990 --> 02:48:12,319
today right now millions of trades

4009
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:16,000
happen each nanosecond

4010
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:18,240
then those trades respond to the trades

4011
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:19,439
that are being made now

4012
02:48:23,510 --> 02:48:22,000
there are no human minds making these

4013
02:48:27,030 --> 02:48:23,520
decisions

4014
02:48:29,510 --> 02:48:27,040
and that is entropy waiting to

4015
02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:29,520
collapse adam and nobody understands the

4016
02:48:32,550 --> 02:48:31,120
mortgage banking system nobody

4017
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:32,560
understands the future trades

4018
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:34,080
nobody understands nobody understands

4019
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:35,680
the software nobody does there's no

4020
02:48:40,550 --> 02:48:37,279
central control point

4021
02:48:44,230 --> 02:48:40,560
there the levels of complexity

4022
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:44,240
of software and hardware that is

4023
02:48:47,830 --> 02:48:46,880
driving what is happening between

4024
02:48:51,110 --> 02:48:47,840
satellites

4025
02:48:54,870 --> 02:48:51,120
and television and on the ground

4026
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:54,880
and and the levels of insanity

4027
02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:57,359
in between there nobody knows nobody

4028
02:48:59,830 --> 02:48:58,000
knows about

4029
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:59,840
switching and package switching and the

4030
02:49:03,190 --> 02:49:01,120
complexity of

4031
02:49:05,910 --> 02:49:03,200
the internet nobody understood they just

4032
02:49:07,190 --> 02:49:05,920
piggyback the software on top of it

4033
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:07,200
hoping that

4034
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:11,120
everything's going to be fine well

4035
02:49:17,750 --> 02:49:14,720
now the entire world is now

4036
02:49:20,790 --> 02:49:17,760
built on this complexity

4037
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:20,800
and if it unravels

4038
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:24,640
it's gonna unravel quickly and badly

4039
02:49:30,710 --> 02:49:27,760
and that is entropy so

4040
02:49:32,150 --> 02:49:30,720
based on all of that with the way that

4041
02:49:34,070 --> 02:49:32,160
social media is now

4042
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:34,080
built and the software and the

4043
02:49:37,269 --> 02:49:36,560
algorithms and the predictive algorithms

4044
02:49:42,309 --> 02:49:37,279
and

4045
02:49:45,309 --> 02:49:42,319
is being fed to you

4046
02:49:46,469 --> 02:49:45,319
uh it is advertising and it is

4047
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:46,479
everything

4048
02:49:51,269 --> 02:49:50,479
it is so complex that we can't undo it

4049
02:49:54,550 --> 02:49:51,279
now

4050
02:49:55,030 --> 02:49:54,560
we have to write it out we have to write

4051
02:49:58,230 --> 02:49:55,040
it out

4052
02:49:59,429 --> 02:49:58,240
we we have to allow entropy to run its

4053
02:50:02,790 --> 02:49:59,439
course

4054
02:50:03,670 --> 02:50:02,800
and entropy applies to everything that

4055
02:50:06,870 --> 02:50:03,680
ever was

4056
02:50:08,950 --> 02:50:06,880
and ever will be and when somebody says

4057
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:08,960
wait a minute man entropy isn't in my

4058
02:50:13,990 --> 02:50:10,640
life entropy

4059
02:50:20,630 --> 02:50:14,000
is so defined

4060
02:50:22,070 --> 02:50:20,640
lafayette i can tell you and i don't

4061
02:50:26,150 --> 02:50:22,080
know you

4062
02:50:29,269 --> 02:50:26,160
but i know that one day you got a new

4063
02:50:31,830 --> 02:50:29,279
job and you went to that job

4064
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:31,840
and you were making friends and that

4065
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:32,880
first day

4066
02:50:39,990 --> 02:50:36,479
on the job life was simple

4067
02:50:43,830 --> 02:50:40,000
and then two years after that first day

4068
02:50:47,030 --> 02:50:43,840
two years later that job sucks

4069
02:50:49,590 --> 02:50:47,040
it's gotten complicated you've

4070
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:49,600
you've got people that you don't like

4071
02:50:53,349 --> 02:50:51,600
you you didn't get the promotion you

4072
02:50:54,710 --> 02:50:53,359
didn't get the rate you didn't get this

4073
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:54,720
you didn't get the day off that you

4074
02:50:58,870 --> 02:50:55,279
wanted

4075
02:51:02,550 --> 02:50:58,880
that it's now this complex thing that is

4076
02:51:05,990 --> 02:51:02,560
taking over your life and then

4077
02:51:09,349 --> 02:51:06,000
you get fired or then

4078
02:51:12,550 --> 02:51:09,359
you have to quit because everything

4079
02:51:15,269 --> 02:51:12,560
just got to be too much that's

4080
02:51:15,990 --> 02:51:15,279
entropy and then you have to start over

4081
02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:16,000
again

4082
02:51:19,750 --> 02:51:18,000
and it's the same thing with anything

4083
02:51:22,389 --> 02:51:19,760
with relationships and with

4084
02:51:23,590 --> 02:51:22,399
it whatever it is it always starts off

4085
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:23,600
simple

4086
02:51:30,150 --> 02:51:26,880
and ends complicated bad

4087
02:51:33,510 --> 02:51:30,160
everything blows up that's entropy and

4088
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:33,520
entropy right now is the world

4089
02:51:40,150 --> 02:51:36,960
as we know it it started off simple

4090
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:40,160
started off simple how simple how about

4091
02:51:48,950 --> 02:51:45,040
fire in a cave 10 000 years ago

4092
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:48,960
on the serengeti nice and simple

4093
02:51:56,389 --> 02:51:52,640
life nice and simple fire

4094
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:56,399
and today look where the world is

4095
02:52:01,910 --> 02:51:59,520
it's a complicated mess and the second

4096
02:52:02,790 --> 02:52:01,920
law of thermodynamics is getting ready

4097
02:52:04,349 --> 02:52:02,800
to play itself

4098
02:52:06,550 --> 02:52:04,359
out and that second law of

4099
02:52:09,830 --> 02:52:06,560
thermodynamics with entropy

4100
02:52:13,429 --> 02:52:09,840
is that to create energy

4101
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:13,439
you expel heat right

4102
02:52:20,710 --> 02:52:16,479
and eventually you create so much of it

4103
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:20,720
that the machine explodes it comes apart

4104
02:52:27,269 --> 02:52:24,080
and that's where we are today so yeah

4105
02:52:28,309 --> 02:52:27,279
was terence mckenna right quite possibly

4106
02:52:30,790 --> 02:52:28,319
man

4107
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:30,800
quite possibly did we focus on the wrong

4108
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:32,479
thing quite possibly

4109
02:52:36,550 --> 02:52:35,040
could aliens and e.t come at us

4110
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:36,560
lafayette and go you know what

4111
02:52:40,870 --> 02:52:39,359
it wasn't about it wasn't about the

4112
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,880
internet

4113
02:52:44,389 --> 02:52:42,960
it wasn't about that it was about

4114
02:52:47,510 --> 02:52:44,399
consciousness

4115
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:47,520
it was about expanding your mind and

4116
02:52:51,990 --> 02:52:50,640
and the betterment of yourself and the

4117
02:52:55,190 --> 02:52:52,000
contribution to

4118
02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:55,200
others that's the secret right that's

4119
02:52:57,990 --> 02:52:57,359
the secret to the universe the meaning

4120
02:53:01,030 --> 02:52:58,000
to life

4121
02:53:03,590 --> 02:53:01,040
yeah now that doesn't mean

4122
02:53:05,830 --> 02:53:03,600
that there isn't a certain amount of

4123
02:53:09,190 --> 02:53:05,840
magic and consciousness

4124
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:09,200
in a 1966 ford mustang v8

4125
02:53:16,230 --> 02:53:13,920
shelby 350 gt right i'm not saying that

4126
02:53:18,230 --> 02:53:16,240
because that part of life is pretty

4127
02:53:21,110 --> 02:53:18,240
friggin wonderful too

4128
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:21,120
but you've got to be able to have both

4129
02:53:25,750 --> 02:53:22,880
and to understand

4130
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:25,760
the meaning of things you know is it

4131
02:53:32,230 --> 02:53:28,399
possessions well you know what i wanna

4132
02:53:36,070 --> 02:53:32,240
i want a 1966 mustang 350 gt

4133
02:53:39,110 --> 02:53:36,080
burning fossil fuel v8 the smell of

4134
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:39,120
a four-barrel holley carburetor

4135
02:53:45,510 --> 02:53:42,399
oh man there's nothing like it but

4136
02:53:48,309 --> 02:53:45,520
you want that goal for the right

4137
02:53:49,030 --> 02:53:48,319
reasons you don't want it for the wrong

4138
02:53:52,070 --> 02:53:49,040
reasons

4139
02:53:55,910 --> 02:53:52,080
that 1966 mustang

4140
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:55,920
350 gt shelby is not the meaning

4141
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:59,359
of life you get that because you found

4142
02:54:06,469 --> 02:53:59,840
your

4143
02:54:10,150 --> 02:54:06,479
do you see where i'm going with this

4144
02:54:13,030 --> 02:54:10,160
i think so yeah you know it really

4145
02:54:14,150 --> 02:54:13,040
because that's when that possession has

4146
02:54:17,429 --> 02:54:14,160
meaning

4147
02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:17,439
you don't want it because your neighbor

4148
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:20,560
has it that's wrong

4149
02:54:25,030 --> 02:54:23,600
that's not your goal in life you know it

4150
02:54:28,150 --> 02:54:25,040
won't make you happy either

4151
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:28,160
no no no you know is is

4152
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:30,960
is your goal in life out there like so

4153
02:54:34,870 --> 02:54:31,760
many

4154
02:54:36,469 --> 02:54:34,880
to have uh a three-bedroom house and

4155
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:36,479
then a four-bedroom house and then a

4156
02:54:41,429 --> 02:54:38,800
five-bedroom house with a pool

4157
02:54:43,269 --> 02:54:41,439
and a membership to the golf club if

4158
02:54:46,630 --> 02:54:43,279
that's your meaning of life

4159
02:54:50,070 --> 02:54:46,640
you've got it wrong you want to find

4160
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:50,080
bliss and happiness inside yourself

4161
02:54:55,349 --> 02:54:53,520
and if the reward is something like that

4162
02:54:57,670 --> 02:54:55,359
and it just falls in your lap

4163
02:54:59,349 --> 02:54:57,680
that's a whole different situation your

4164
02:55:02,389 --> 02:54:59,359
goals weren't the house

4165
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:02,399
your goal was happiness right and

4166
02:55:06,870 --> 02:55:04,560
and if the other stuff comes along with

4167
02:55:10,710 --> 02:55:06,880
it great then that house has

4168
02:55:12,150 --> 02:55:10,720
meaning right it's a totally different

4169
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:12,160
situation

4170
02:55:17,269 --> 02:55:15,359
it shouldn't be the other way around

4171
02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:17,279
and i'm sure that terrence would agree

4172
02:55:22,469 --> 02:55:19,600
with what i am saying right now and

4173
02:55:23,910 --> 02:55:22,479
and if we could somehow shift our goals

4174
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:23,920
look there's nothing wrong with

4175
02:55:26,790 --> 02:55:24,720
possessions

4176
02:55:29,030 --> 02:55:26,800
there's nothing wrong with that if

4177
02:55:32,309 --> 02:55:29,040
you're happy with inside yourself

4178
02:55:36,070 --> 02:55:32,319
did you find your bliss in life

4179
02:55:39,429 --> 02:55:36,080
and i know i'm sounding all crazy

4180
02:55:42,710 --> 02:55:39,439
uh you know spiritual and and in a way

4181
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:42,720
i am but until you find your happiness

4182
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:44,720
you're not going to be happy you're

4183
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:46,399
going to be chasing something else and

4184
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:47,200
be

4185
02:55:52,230 --> 02:55:49,359
bitter and that's not the way to live

4186
02:55:54,950 --> 02:55:52,240
life man you don't want to get to 75

4187
02:55:55,830 --> 02:55:54,960
you know and sitting around counting the

4188
02:55:58,870 --> 02:55:55,840
days

4189
02:56:00,790 --> 02:55:58,880
right and looking at your own mortality

4190
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:00,800
and saying did i live a life worth

4191
02:56:04,389 --> 02:56:03,760
living if you have to ask yourself that

4192
02:56:08,230 --> 02:56:04,399
question

4193
02:56:11,990 --> 02:56:08,240
you didn't you want to be 75 going man

4194
02:56:14,389 --> 02:56:12,000
i rocked it

4195
02:56:15,429 --> 02:56:14,399
that's what you want you want you want

4196
02:56:18,550 --> 02:56:15,439
that

4197
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:18,560
and and terence uh when he was facing

4198
02:56:21,910 --> 02:56:20,160
his own mortality

4199
02:56:23,269 --> 02:56:21,920
he recognized just that he's like you

4200
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:23,279
know what man i lived

4201
02:56:30,389 --> 02:56:26,720
i lived a good one i contributed

4202
02:56:31,429 --> 02:56:30,399
i'm okay with it i understand what life

4203
02:56:34,389 --> 02:56:31,439
is about

4204
02:56:36,389 --> 02:56:34,399
so i'm okay with it the cycle of life is

4205
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:36,399
here i'm about to enter it

4206
02:56:40,469 --> 02:56:39,120
and i'm okay and that's where all of us

4207
02:56:42,469 --> 02:56:40,479
need to be

4208
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:42,479
so there you go that's my that's my

4209
02:56:47,269 --> 02:56:44,080
soapbox lafayette

4210
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:47,279
and see what your phone call did

4211
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:49,680
set you going eh i'll talk to you

4212
02:56:55,830 --> 02:56:51,279
there's more to life than the

4213
02:57:00,550 --> 02:56:58,870
you've got to find your bliss and and

4214
02:57:02,389 --> 02:57:00,560
try to follow your own power you've got

4215
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:02,399
to follow your own path and

4216
02:57:08,550 --> 02:57:05,439
and i think so much today

4217
02:57:09,990 --> 02:57:08,560
uh with the younger generation is so

4218
02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:10,000
what's your goal well i'm going to be a

4219
02:57:14,309 --> 02:57:11,840
youtube star

4220
02:57:14,870 --> 02:57:14,319
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait slow

4221
02:57:18,389 --> 02:57:14,880
down

4222
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:18,399
that's okay if that's your bliss

4223
02:57:24,710 --> 02:57:21,600
or are you looking for dollars

4224
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:24,720
do you think that the life of

4225
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:27,920
uh you know i hate to say it right

4226
02:57:31,110 --> 02:57:29,840
the housewives of beverly hills or

4227
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:31,120
whatever that may be

4228
02:57:36,630 --> 02:57:33,200
that there's some reality do you think

4229
02:57:38,469 --> 02:57:36,640
that that is real life you know is

4230
02:57:40,070 --> 02:57:38,479
is that a goal you want to attain you

4231
02:57:42,790 --> 02:57:40,080
want to be the

4232
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:42,800
the wife or the husband of a hollywood

4233
02:57:48,790 --> 02:57:45,760
celebrity and have a reality tv show

4234
02:57:52,070 --> 02:57:48,800
and that is the keys to the universe

4235
02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:52,080
i don't think so right right or a

4236
02:57:55,830 --> 02:57:54,240
stepping stone to the presidency

4237
02:57:58,550 --> 02:57:55,840
i don't talk about jimmy church for

4238
02:58:01,590 --> 02:57:58,560
presidents the full disclosure platform

4239
02:58:03,750 --> 02:58:01,600
with the basketball for vp oh man there

4240
02:58:05,830 --> 02:58:03,760
you go thank you for that lafayette

4241
02:58:07,830 --> 02:58:05,840
enjoy your night have a good one we'll

4242
02:58:09,990 --> 02:58:07,840
see you tomorrow

4243
02:58:11,670 --> 02:58:10,000
go back to the chat go back lee tappy

4244
02:58:15,670 --> 02:58:11,680
that's a great phone call right there

4245
02:58:18,550 --> 02:58:15,680
and it does force me to get into uh

4246
02:58:19,830 --> 02:58:18,560
that that frame of mind and jump on the

4247
02:58:23,670 --> 02:58:19,840
soap box

4248
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:23,680
because um i like certain things i do

4249
02:58:29,990 --> 02:58:26,880
i like mechanical watches i love uh

4250
02:58:31,030 --> 02:58:30,000
guitars right there there are certain

4251
02:58:33,670 --> 02:58:31,040
things that

4252
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:33,680
that make me happy but but there was a

4253
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:35,439
time in my life

4254
02:58:43,030 --> 02:58:39,040
a few times where i had nothing

4255
02:58:46,469 --> 02:58:43,040
i had nothing

4256
02:58:49,910 --> 02:58:46,479
and and it was

4257
02:58:53,750 --> 02:58:49,920
it was a long journey

4258
02:58:55,910 --> 02:58:53,760
easy

4259
02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:55,920
but i needed to find the happiness

4260
02:59:00,309 --> 02:58:57,760
inside of myself

4261
02:59:02,070 --> 02:59:00,319
and i knew that and rita knew that the

4262
02:59:05,910 --> 02:59:02,080
happiness inside of herself

4263
02:59:09,670 --> 02:59:05,920
that that once we found that and we did

4264
02:59:11,429 --> 02:59:09,680
it was a journey but once we did that

4265
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:11,439
and we found the happiness inside of

4266
02:59:15,269 --> 02:59:13,279
ourselves and everything

4267
02:59:17,269 --> 02:59:15,279
fell into place because we weren't

4268
02:59:20,309 --> 02:59:17,279
confused

4269
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:20,319
lost

4270
02:59:25,349 --> 02:59:22,960
and whatever it is that makes you happy

4271
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:25,359
whatever it is

4272
02:59:30,230 --> 02:59:28,399
you need to do that and i've i've

4273
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:30,240
no i know that we've heard this time and

4274
02:59:32,790 --> 02:59:32,000
time again we've heard it over and over

4275
02:59:36,469 --> 02:59:32,800
again

4276
02:59:38,950 --> 02:59:36,479
but it's nothing can be truer

4277
02:59:39,750 --> 02:59:38,960
just find what makes you happy whatever

4278
02:59:44,230 --> 02:59:39,760
it is

4279
02:59:46,150 --> 02:59:44,240
want to tell anybody you don't want to

4280
02:59:47,349 --> 02:59:46,160
verbalize it well that's where you need

4281
02:59:50,710 --> 02:59:47,359
to stop

4282
02:59:53,750 --> 02:59:50,720
whatever it is go and do it

4283
02:59:56,469 --> 02:59:53,760
that's it and then bam

4284
02:59:57,750 --> 02:59:56,479
everything happens i guarantee it i

4285
02:59:59,670 --> 02:59:57,760
guarantee it

4286
03:00:02,230 --> 02:59:59,680
with that i'm going to get out of here

4287
03:00:05,510 --> 03:00:02,240
jay widener great conversation tonight

4288
03:00:06,389 --> 03:00:05,520
the life and times of terence mckenna

4289
03:00:09,910 --> 03:00:06,399
great show

4290
03:00:11,830 --> 03:00:09,920
fantastic perfect show fade to black's

4291
03:00:13,590 --> 03:00:11,840
executive producers rita kumarian shows

4292
03:00:14,309 --> 03:00:13,600
produced by hill j palm rene dennis and

4293
03:00:16,710 --> 03:00:14,319
kevin

4294
03:00:18,710 --> 03:00:16,720
announcers are steve harder gene vettel

4295
03:00:21,830 --> 03:00:18,720
mark d kobar webmaster

4296
03:00:25,269 --> 03:00:21,840
is drew the geek music doug aldrich

4297
03:00:27,429 --> 03:00:25,279
intro space boy boy spaceboymusic.com

4298
03:00:29,349 --> 03:00:27,439
beta black is produced by kjcr for the

4299
03:00:31,190 --> 03:00:29,359
game changer network and syndication is

4300
03:00:33,670 --> 03:00:31,200
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4301
03:00:35,990 --> 03:00:33,680
the planet this broadcast owned

4302
03:00:37,590 --> 03:00:36,000
copyrighted 2020 by fade to black in the

4303
03:00:39,670 --> 03:00:37,600
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4304
03:00:41,429 --> 03:00:39,680
it cannot be re-broadcast downloaded

4305
03:00:42,230 --> 03:00:41,439
copied or used anywhere in the known

4306
03:00:43,910 --> 03:00:42,240
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4307
03:00:45,429 --> 03:00:43,920
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4308
03:00:46,550 --> 03:00:45,439
block of the game changer network i'm

4309
03:00:48,950 --> 03:00:46,560
your host jimmy church

4310
03:00:49,830 --> 03:00:48,960
tomorrow night right here carolyn ford

4311
03:00:52,950 --> 03:00:49,840
the magic

4312
03:00:55,910 --> 03:00:52,960
of crystal skulls we'll see everybody

4313
03:01:08,750 --> 03:00:55,920
tomorrow night until then be safe

4314
03:01:32,830 --> 03:01:20,610
[Music]

4315
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:43,900
so